CSL Schedule for Each Team is Up

[TeddyKGB]

so only 5 teams don't make the playoffs? Thats a joke...but nothing new

[diesel]

so only 5 teams don't make the playoffs? Thats a joke...but nothing new

In D1 everyone makes playoffs........how is that any different?

[TeddyKGB]

no difference, its a joke all the way around.

[Denver Viking]

so only 5 teams don't make the playoffs? Thats a joke...but nothing new

Usually the bracket isn't full. But, you are correct, it is a bit of a joke.

[Darth Backer]

With the new state format of every section champ going into a state playoff, I am a big fan of the central section moving to 8 team brackets.  With that simple change, we erase all of the 5-5 teams or worse from our playoffs.

[mkb152]

so only 5 teams don't make the playoffs? Thats a joke...but nothing new

Except unlike in D1, most schools in D4, D5, etc. have a .500 rule for playoffs.
I think a Clovis school who went 0-10 would probably enter.

[flexmac3]

I do think it is time for members of this league to stop scheduling D5 schools.

Playing Woodlake and Lindsay don't help you get ready to take on Dinuba.


You're kidding right? I'm not sure what does help you to take on Dinuba... ask El D, Tulare Union, Lemoore, Mission Oak, and Porterville since apparently they didn't have an answer for Dinuba last year either. You're saying D4 Exeter shouldn't play their rivalry games against Woodlake and Lindsay because those teams happen to be in D5? Which are the only D5 teams on their schedule... Under that same philosophy, taking the league component out of it El D shouldn't play GW since The Battle For the Saddle matches a D2 team against a D4 team.  According to your philosophy playing Golden West doesn't help El D get ready to take on Dinuba especially come playoff time. I'm sure the same applies to Redwood playing Mt. Whitney in the Cowhide since that is a D2 v.s. D3 team.  Lets just throw rivalries out the window so everyone is ready to take on Dinuba. If it's a division difference up or down and its been a rivalry for a long time... celebrate it, don't find a way to use it as a negative. 

Totally disagree with this post, Im not surprised though, the league that cwsdrew3 supports, the WYL has the same set up as the CSL. A league with teams in multiple divisions.

The WYL has 7 league teams that are spread out over three divions, or is it four divisions? I can never keep up with ELD, because they flip from D2 to D1.

Where ever you got those quotes from, I dont agree with why you used them, there was a reason on how they were used.
Some very good CSL school members non league schedule are so bad, its kinda sad.

Its obvious the critics, ( me being one ) will call those CSL schools out.
especially, since its a five school league, playing six non league games, and only four league games.

Using Golden West as example, is kinda funny to me, GW has about 1700 students, but is in D4 :huh:

Your rivalry example is somewhat off, those traditional rivary examples are already built in the WYL schedule. We are talking about when schools take on pretty weak, non beneficial non league games.

I do know one thing, when an upper division school losses to an lower division school, the critics eat that up, especially come playoff ranking time.

[MonarchPride]

Totally disagree with this post, Im not surprised though, the league that cwsdrew3 supports, the WYL has the same set up as the CSL. A league with teams in multiple divisions.

The WYL has 7 league teams that are spread out over three divions, or is it four divisions? I can never keep up with ELD, because they flip from D2 to D1.

Where ever you got those quotes from, I dont agree with why you used them, there was a reason on how they were used.
Some very good CSL school members non league schedule are so bad, its kinda sad.

Its obvious the critics, ( me being one ) will call those CSL schools out.
especially, since its a five school league, playing six non league games, and only four league games.

Using Golden West as example, is kinda funny to me, GW has about 1700 students, but is in D4 :huh:

Your rivalry example is somewhat off, those traditional rivary examples are already built in the WYL schedule. We are talking about when schools take on pretty weak, non beneficial non league games.

I do know one thing, when an upper division school losses to an lower division school, the critics eat that up, especially come playoff ranking time.

It's apparent you don't really follow Central Valley H.S. Football or football in general...  There is nothing wrong with padding a schedule with a couple of softies. There aren't many teams out there that don't. Going down one division for pre league games isn't always a rankings killer like you say. It's a long season and with the disparity in the CSL those easy games are a must. If the D4 schools in the CSL want to compete against Kingsburg and Dinuba, first and foremost they need to be healthy.  Exeter and Woodlake have been playing for 80 plus years now and that's not about to change. They added Lindsay last year after it looked like Lindsay was turning the tide and producing better football, unfortunately they've had some pitfalls. You also have to take into consideration the challenges of making the schedules. You yourself said that it can really sting when an upper division school loses to a lower thus it's hard to get some of the tougher games when they see you as a threat. I was on the last Valley Championship team that Leo Robinson had at Woodlake and I know that none of the larger Valley teams wanted to get beat by little ol' Woodlake. That year we played Colfax from the Sac-Joaquin Section and Fillmore from the Tri-Valley.  You need to look at the bigger picture Flexmac...don't go looking for an AD job anytime soon.

[Glenn]

Totally disagree with this post, Im not surprised though, the league that cwsdrew3 supports, the WYL has the same set up as the CSL. A league with teams in multiple divisions.

The WYL has 7 league teams that are spread out over three divions, or is it four divisions? I can never keep up with ELD, because they flip from D2 to D1.

Where ever you got those quotes from, I dont agree with why you used them, there was a reason on how they were used.
Some very good CSL school members non league schedule are so bad, its kinda sad.

Its obvious the critics, ( me being one ) will call those CSL schools out.
especially, since its a five school league, playing six non league games, and only four league games.

Using Golden West as example, is kinda funny to me, GW has about 1700 students, but is in D4 :huh:

Your rivalry example is somewhat off, those traditional rivary examples are already built in the WYL schedule. We are talking about when schools take on pretty weak, non beneficial non league games.

I do know one thing, when an upper division school losses to an lower division school, the critics eat that up, especially come playoff ranking time.

U have to Rememeber when you dont win  Valley champs and bad season you can Request  Move down  or up   

If  ya have bad season     Like Golden west this Past 4  Year  i dont blame thems  Move down   with D5  Teams  their Doing alots  Better  now then  their was   like 4 Year with Coach    Marc Salazar   11-30-0   

Now their went  7-5  that alots better ggoing 2-8  Each Season

I agree  it was good Idea for Golden west Move down     their can Build   it up  from Begun   

i agree with Immanuel   Went to Freelance  it did go  Non Schedule games  for thems 

i Rememeber  Before Immanuel Leave CSL   their was Struggles   with Players and Enrollent

Rememeber any team can Ask CIF Board  toMove down  or Up  in Divison   

Any teams   From D1-D6  can have the Central section Board Move   

Look at Kingburgh  their ask Move down  from D2 to D3   

Who   in D1  went 1-9  or 0-10  can Play with D2 or D3  or D4  or D5  If their ask Request Move Down    But   it will changes alots their schedule  like Dinuba and Kingburgh and Exeter 

CVC vs Chowchilla  is Rivarly Game but  it Head to Head  in D4 Seed

If Immanuel really want go from D6 Or D5  their can ask go D4 Teams easy    If their want too But  like  i say   Immanuel  is Half way there from close freind   i have at Immanuel   


If you Play a Team More then 15  or 20  Years  u Keep thems  But  other   u need go around   





   

[flexmac3]

It's apparent you don't really follow Central Valley H.S. Football or football in general...  There is nothing wrong with padding a schedule with a couple of softies. There aren't many teams out there that don't. Going down one division for pre league games isn't always a rankings killer like you say. It's a long season and with the disparity in the CSL those easy games are a must. If the D4 schools in the CSL want to compete against Kingsburg and Dinuba, first and foremost they need to be healthy.  Exeter and Woodlake have been playing for 80 plus years now and that's not about to change. They added Lindsay last year after it looked like Lindsay was turning the tide and producing better football, unfortunately they've had some pitfalls. You also have to take into consideration the challenges of making the schedules. You yourself said that it can really sting when an upper division school loses to a lower thus it's hard to get some of the tougher games when they see you as a threat. I was on the last Valley Championship team that Leo Robinson had at Woodlake and I know that none of the larger Valley teams wanted to get beat by little ol' Woodlake. That year we played Colfax from the Sac-Joaquin Section and Fillmore from the Tri-Valley.  You need to look at the bigger picture Flexmac...don't go looking for an AD job anytime soon.

I think you missed my point of view, I dont care, or the reasons why schools schedule who they play, whether its a soft schedule, hard schedule, or for what ever reason why a school makes up a football schedule for the season.

IMO, come playoff time, a schools schedule will be a factor, when it comes to overall ranking, and playoff seed placement, which I believe is very important.

I could use alot of recent examples to prove my point, but I dont feel like it, to tired :D

Past playoff seedings for the #1 spot between Ridgeview, and Dinuba come to mind.

I recall 2012 Valley champs 12-2 Kingsburg, a five seed, with only two losses by a combine six points was downgraded when playoff seeding were made.

Those two Kingsburg losses were to 11-1 #1 Dinuba, who went undefeated during the regular season, a rematch in the playoff the #5 Vikings handed #1 Dinuba their only loss of that season.

Kingsburg also loss to #1, and undefeated D4 Washinton U, the D4 valley champion, and D3 California State Bowl champion.

how did four D3 schools get ranked ahead of Kingsburg in the playoff seedings that year :huh: Im guessing their schedule :)-

I dont mind bigger schools dropping down to play lower division schools in non league games, BHS vs Wasco a few years back, was great.
And BHS vs Garces a few years back was a great game.

The south valley leagues are not like the leagues up north, so maybe your right, I dont know much about central valley football. Im here to learn :)-

But if you think a league that has schools with three, or four divisions within itself, and then has a chance to win three, or four football valley championships  is good. Im going to disagree everytime.

[Ride4Fun]

By size of school CVC is not light on the schedule. However when you look at how well they have done over the years the have a light schedule.  When I looked at calpreps it shows CVC as having a 20.4 strength rating starting this season.  If you eliminate Dinuba (highest rated team and the only one even close in rating to CVC) and Lindsey (lowest rated team on schedule) the other teams barely have a combined rating higher than CVC.  And average 2.7.  That being said you have to go back to size of school sometimes and say years in advance when these games are starting to be set do you know you will have that team.

[Woodrow]

When you talk about private schools, enrollment figures have very little meaning. Central Catholic in Modesto just won its third consecutive state championship. Although their enrollment is not very large, they get kids from all over Modesto, Turlock, Ceres, Delhi, Oakdale, etc. They are not locked to any particular district or area to draw kids from. DeLaSalle has a small enrollment also and gets players from multiple cities. The same applies to Memorial, Garces, Immanuel, etc. CVC may have a small enrollment but they can draw kids from a large area. They were one of the biggest if not the biggest teams in the valley last year. They look like a Division one team size wise regardless of enrollment.

[Glenn]

By size of school CVC is not light on the schedule. However when you look at how well they have done over the years the have a light schedule.  When I looked at calpreps it shows CVC as having a 20.4 strength rating starting this season.  If you eliminate Dinuba (highest rated team and the only one even close in rating to CVC) and Lindsey (lowest rated team on schedule) the other teams barely have a combined rating higher than CVC.  And average 2.7.  That being said you have to go back to size of school sometimes and say years in advance when these games are starting to be set do you know you will have that team.

If you want talk bout CVC    SOS  here somne Fact for ya   Ride4Fun

i can Bring up  Dinuba and Kingsburg and  Exeter  SOS this Past season     

Let go with Dinuba   First   4  of 10 Team have 4 or More win

Reedley  2-8 

El Diamante 4-6   

Porterville  4-7 
Kingsburg  6-6
Selma a 4-6 DiDNt make Playoff
Exeter  4-7

that SOS  for DiNuba  Didnt Help thems at all   

4 of 6  Team  for Exeter  was good   

the Rest was not good   it Kill Exeter SOS   

the same for Kingbaug    5 of 10  game was  6  or more win   

thems Other 5 Loss to Kingsburg   Didnt Help thems Pick up SOS 

Selma   

5  of 10  Didnt help SOS   at loss to Loss top team   

CVC    4  of  10  Game the worse for thems 

Lindsay 2-8  and Selma 4-6  and Kingbaug 6-6  and Exeter 4-7 

[Glenn]

When you talk about private schools, enrollment figures have very little meaning. Central Catholic in Modesto just won its third consecutive state championship. Although their enrollment is not very large, they get kids from all over Modesto, Turlock, Ceres, Delhi, Oakdale, etc. They are not locked to any particular district or area to draw kids from. DeLaSalle has a small enrollment also and gets players from multiple cities. The same applies to Memorial, Garces, Immanuel, etc. CVC may have a small enrollment but they can draw kids from a large area. They were one of the biggest if not the biggest teams in the valley last year. They look like a Division one team size wise regardless of enrollment.

CVC may have a small enrollment but they can draw kids from a large area    their cant Trust me their christian Privte School their cant Recuiter   like DLS  and Central catholic   can  draw Player  in their area

Alots  of the Kids at CVC  coming bc their Family History    with Sports Program go back  in 1990s and 2000  Before  2015  Season 

and some Asst coach  or Play  Sports at CVC today   

we Loss  our Speical Team coach this Past Year bc  his have 3 baby  the same time   His didnt have time to Coach  in 2014 Season     his Forner  Football Player at cvc   

Like Mr tos     Son  his Play for cvc    way back  in the days

Tevela  Family  be there Past 10   or 12 Year with Cuz  and Son  or Daughter  have play for CVC   

this was Bring up   with a school  Back  in Georgia    with Brookstone christian and Pacelli  catholic 

By Law     No Praivte  school cant go up  to Player  on Jr High  or High school  Campus   

Pacelli  Did that Broken the rule and  got caught   Head coach Visiter the Player at their Jr High  school  or High school campus

the Columbus School Board Member Jump threw the Bombshell  on Pacelli  their are No MCSD (Muscogee County School District
(Columbus) School) School   in columbus and their Owner By catholic Church  In Savannah  Ga 

Just Like CVC   their are Praivte school Under CIF central  Section But their have the Same rules as   CIF Section  Rules  too   

all Praivte School  in California   is the same rules like Pavelli catholic and christian Rules  but  their Under CIF   Board too

i think If CIF central section follow up   on the school   in the valley     Get a Kids tranfer  their soph  year to Praivtie School  or  Other Public school to Public school  their woul d  be  in alots of trouble by CIF central Section  Law

[Woodrow]

Private schools can get kids from anywhere, public schools are locked into areas of enrollment. Wasn't Grant Verhoeven from Hanford? I know the family is. People from ANYWHERE can CHOOSE to send their kids to CVC, people in most cases can't choose to attend a public school unless they live within the boundaries. Private schools don't have boundaries. How many parents choose to send their kids to McLane for athletics? I can guarantee you that more people, more affluent athletically minded people from a spread out area, choose to send their kids to CVC than McLane. All you need to do is look at the the athletes that come from these schools. Are you impressed that a school like Oaks Christian with an enrollment of 500 had TEN division one players on the same team? How do they do that? Amazing coaching I guess. Public schools and private schools have different rules, that's why many states, Hawaii for instance, has separate divisions for the two. It's also why so many of the top athletic schools in the state and country with smaller enrollments are private- i.e. DeLaSalle, St. John Bosco, Central Catholic, Oaks Christian, Matre Dei, Servite, Serra, etc. I doubt that Immanuel would have had the basketball team they had this past year if they were limited to a certain area to draw kids from. I also doubt that San Joaquin Memorial would have had three first round NBA draft picks off of the same team if they could draw kids from a certain area. Anyway you spin it, the enrollment rules are different for private schools than public schools.

[Glenn]

Private schools can get kids from anywhere, public schools are locked into areas of enrollment. Wasn't Grant Verhoeven from Hanford? I know the family is. People from ANYWHERE can CHOOSE to send their kids to CVC, people in most cases can't choose to attend a public school unless they live within the boundaries. Private schools don't have boundaries. How many parents choose to send their kids to McLane for athletics? I can guarantee you that more people, more affluent athletically minded people from a spread out area, choose to send their kids to CVC than McLane. All you need to do is look at the the athletes that come from these schools. Are you impressed that a school like Oaks Christian with an enrollment of 500 had TEN division one players on the same team? How do they do that? Amazing coaching I guess. Public schools and private schools have different rules, that's why many states, Hawaii for instance, has separate divisions for the two. It's also why so many of the top athletic schools in the state and country with smaller enrollments are private- i.e. DeLaSalle, St. John Bosco, Central Catholic, Oaks Christian, Matre Dei, Servite, Serra, etc. I doubt that Immanuel would have had the basketball team they had this past year if they were limited to a certain area to draw kids from. I also doubt that San Joaquin Memorial would have had three first round NBA draft picks off of the same team if they could draw kids from a certain area. Anyway you spin it, the enrollment rules are different for private schools than public schools.

Enrollent for  Student count 2   for Praivte School and 1 Student for Public School  Rules 


Yes His from  Hanford   his father  play  for CVC    Rememeber that  ?  Grant Father was Asst coach at CVC the time His was freshman   at CVC  after  His son Play and afford his son go cvc    then His Retired  Asst Basketball coach at cvc   After Grant Final Sr Yea 

Yes   Woodrow   Praivte  School can But  it Rules their have Follow By CIF  for California and CIF  Central section  Rules    it can Banned any typle Praivte School   

Look at Some   in  other State got caugh and Banner from Postseason Bc their want a Kid go their school and their Dont do  By the rule Book   

Look at  Former SS    went to Redwood   CIF central section  come down to Redwood Not Filed Paper  for him to Play His Sr Year  at Redwood       it was all Clear up  Middle the Season  But  it would Have cost Redwood good Record that time   

Kids from K-8   very cheaps send thems  CVC  but some  Dont got to the High school  where their Live  at   

some Parent can afford  the K-8  Grade But when their Enter High school  as freshman their Parent  have do their Best for their Kids   

Most the Kids from Immanuel  is from Kingbaug and Dinuba and all over the valley 

2 Year ago when their did their Sr Night against US their say where thems Sr was from    Kingbaug and Dinuba and Sanger  the List go on 

Rememeber that RB  their Draw  Year ago  his could Get over 150  total Yard  in Running the football against CVC 

But  rememeber  Rules for Praivte  is Follow 

No Head coach or His asst coaches cant not talk to  other Team Player  this the same rules   with  Columbus Ga with Praivte School to Public School   

When Pacelli  in 1999  got caught   By Columbus school  Board  their Report  it to  GHSA  Georgia High School Association their Reply by find  ouyt  it was truth  Pacelli  Head football coach went to MCSD  and GHSA Public Jr High school campus Visitor  few Players  to Attend Pacelli     

GHSA Step  in their the bombshell   on thems their are GHSA But Praivte School  their Under GHSA Rules Book

the Same for all School   in California  for Praivte school 

Praivte school   in california  is Under CIF  Rules their have to Follow  it    Nomatter their can Recuiter     

it good Idea for Parent Recuter   for that Praivte School

DeLaSalle, St. John Bosco, Central Catholic, Oaks Christian, Matre Dei, Servite, Serra If CIF  Look  at thems School
their have Broken Many Rules for Head coach  talk to other Players

that why   i ask 6 Year ago  at CVC  head coach   If his can talk to other Players   at  other school  His told me  i cant Bc CIF Central Section and CIF rule      it Up to Parent and Kids  come to CVC   

Just  Like COS  in Visalia ca     their got Caught  Recutier  at Other State get Better Player that why   AD   at COS Resign and Move to Hawaii 


Many CVC student   got Cuzx and Brother and sister  have Play Sports  at CVC  Before  i Move here   their have Great  History  in Sports   Program  like Girl soccer and Valleyball and football  and Basketball  and Baseball  and Golf   

the Kids we got right now the Parents went to CVC  long time ago   

Like  our forner Speical Coach    His Play football and Other sports at CVC  before Return  back to coach   

Look at Ryan Tos  Son and Glenn   other Glenn  his Son and Him Play for cvc  long time ago 

their Parent want their Kids Know god First 

that why 100% Student    at Praivte school  Grads from praivte school  today

How Many Students  Grads  at Public school  today   ?  45%  Most Athelioc  Play Sports today   

[TeddyKGB]

Glenn you're arguing apples and oranges. What Woodrow is saying is all true, schools like CVC, BCHS, garces, etc aren't restricted to a boundry like public schools. Thats ALL! I'm really not sure why you're rambling on about stuff that doesn't address what he is saying.

[Woodrow]

Here's a simple question- would Immanuel have had as good of a basketball team as they had this past year if they could get every single kid they wanted from the town of Reedley, but were limited to kids only from Reedley?

[Ride4Fun]

The answer is obviously no.  The one thing that seems to be missed is that a good program is a strong recruiter altogether.  There was another post here talking about CN and that it looks like they will be starting a QB from Yosemite.  His parents as well as others moved to the area to get best opportunities.  Private schools do not require that move just the decision that this is how I showcase my son/daughter in their sport.  The same that happens with travel teams in other sports.  I do not know enough of CVC K-8 program but there was an issue several years back that Memorial was scholarshiping promising young athletes into their K-8 feeder schools which then was a natural path to gain them at SJM.  So yes private schools have a definte advantage.  By the way the same thing can be said for academics.

[Ride4Fun]