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Started by erstwhile, September 20, 2014, 10:55:14 AM

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valleynative

Quote from: bksflddan on September 21, 2014, 08:28:48 PM
Once earned the title Marine can never be UN EARNED ...

No such thing as an EX Marine ...

This Marine was traveling from the East coast on permanent change of station orders and made a wrong turn with no way to perform a u turn before entering Mexico.

He was unfamiliar with the area and made a simple error ...

He was screwed over by Mexico and our government by a DOJ and POTUS that hate the military PERIOD!!!

Agreed. It's a travesty and I am with erstwhile...US CITIZENS are going to have to speak up cause this GOVT is NOT.  But Ohbutthead had NO PROBLEM trading FIVE TERRORISTS for a deserter.


bksflddan

Quote from: valleynative on September 21, 2014, 09:06:48 PM
Agreed. It's a travesty and I am with erstwhile...US CITIZENS are going to have to speak up cause this GOVT is NOT.  But Ohbutthead had NO PROBLEM trading FIVE TERRORISTS for a deserter.


... and now we have a Marine POW in Tijuana ...
"The crux of leadership is seeing what needs to be done and doing it before anyone else"

Run fast! Stay Low!

diesel

Quote from: bksflddan on September 21, 2014, 08:28:48 PM
Once earned the title Marine can never be UN EARNED ...

No such thing as an EX Marine ...

This Marine was traveling from the East coast on permanent change of station orders and made a wrong turn with no way to perform a u turn before entering Mexico.

He was unfamiliar with the area and made a simple error ...

He was screwed over by Mexico and our government by a DOJ and POTUS that hate the military PERIOD!!!

According to the article I posted earlier, the man was NOT on active duty and had already checked in and out of a hotel in Mexico earlier in the day BEFORE making a "wrong turn".....are you sure about your statement here, dan? Is the article I posted incorrect?

diesel

"In Mexico, at least two of Tahmooressi's weapons are considered to be exclusively for military use. Also seized were more than 400 rounds of ammunition."

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/may/13/tahmooressi-lawyer-customs-tijuana-weapons/

izne1home

Quote from: diesel on September 22, 2014, 08:52:40 AM
"In Mexico, at least two of Tahmooressi's weapons are considered to be exclusively for military use. Also seized were more than 400 rounds of ammunition."

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/may/13/tahmooressi-lawyer-customs-tijuana-weapons/

Big Skin drives around like that in Chowchilla every day.  No big deal. 

diesel

Quote from: izne1home on September 22, 2014, 09:04:17 AM
Big Skin drives around like that in Chowchilla every day.  No big deal. 

Yeah, but he's smart enough to steer clear of the border crossings..... ;)

What I find fascinating is how it seems that because we perceive our own govt so lax on the border we expect other countries (Mexico, in this instance) to ignore their own laws and allow an American to just go free? Because he served his country he has diplomatic immunity? Why? There are plenty of "marines no longer actively serving" in American prisons right now.....maybe we should cut them all loose......right?

izne1home

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Quote from: diesel on September 22, 2014, 09:08:38 AM
There are plenty of "marines no longer actively serving" in American prisons right now.....maybe we should cut them all loose......right?

diesel, you are a genius.  We could form a couple of battalions of pissed off prison hardened Marines and drop them into Syria. 

diesel

Quote from: izne1home on September 22, 2014, 09:12:32 AM
diesel, you are a genius.  We could form a couple of battalions of pissed off prison hardened marines and drop them into Syria. 

You stole that idea from Backwards K!! He suggested that a while back in another thread and somebody ripped him a new one......LOL!!!

izne1home

Quote from: diesel on September 22, 2014, 09:19:27 AM
You stole that idea from Backwards K!! He suggested that a while back in another thread and somebody ripped him a new one......LOL!!!

He stole it from The Dirty Dozen.  Besides, my idea is much more strategic. 

diesel

Quote from: izne1home on September 22, 2014, 09:25:33 AM
He stole it from The Dirty Dozen.  Besides, my idea is much more strategic. 

Great movie!!

bksflddan

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Quote from: diesel on September 22, 2014, 09:35:14 AM
Great movie!!

Lee Marvin was  WWII combat Marine. ...

and many more that may surprise you: http://www.my-3-sons.com/starsincorps/starscorps.htm

Or this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Marines

Marine should always be capitalized when referring to a member of the United States Marine Corps ...

911 tape backs story?
In his latest evidentiary hearing, Tahmooressi's third official appearance before the judge, his defense submitted surveillance video that "coincided with Andrew's truthful and forthcoming statement of accidental entry," defense attorney Fernando Benitez told CNN.
The video, which has not been made public, is said to show Tahmooressi hesitate and "appear lost" in his car at the border before driving up to the port of entry, his attorney said.
The night of the incident, Tahmooressi called 911 to request assistance because he had accidentally crossed into Mexico. An operator can be heard telling the Marine that there was nothing that the U.S. could do since he was already on Mexican soil.
"That 911 tape has not even yet made it to the hands of the judge," his mother told CNN.
Part of what's complicated things for Tahmooressi is the drama surrounding his defense. The first two attorneys hired by the family were fired, one after trying to coach Tahmooressi into lying about prior visits to Mexico, his mother told CNN.
There were also "missed opportunities," something Benitez, his current defense attorney, said is one of the reasons the Marine is still in Mexican custody.
"For anybody being involved in a criminal case in Mexico ... those first 96 hours are crucial," Benitez told CNN in a July interview. "A lot can be done, and releases can and are obtained regularly, but you have to aggressively address a defensive strategy."
Now, Benitez says, his client is at the mercy of the Mexican judicial system, and there is no timetable for his release.
Marine says he'd walked into Mexico before his arrest on gun charges
"The crux of leadership is seeing what needs to be done and doing it before anyone else"

Run fast! Stay Low!

diesel

Quote from: bksflddan on September 22, 2014, 03:24:43 PM
Lee Marvin was  WWII combat Marine. ...

and many more that may surprise you: http://www.my-3-sons.com/starsincorps/starscorps.htm

Or this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Marines

Marine should always be capitalized when referring to a member of the United States Marine Corps ...

911 tape backs story?
In his latest evidentiary hearing, Tahmooressi's third official appearance before the judge, his defense submitted surveillance video that "coincided with Andrew's truthful and forthcoming statement of accidental entry," defense attorney Fernando Benitez told CNN.
The video, which has not been made public, is said to show Tahmooressi hesitate and "appear lost" in his car at the border before driving up to the port of entry, his attorney said.
The night of the incident, Tahmooressi called 911 to request assistance because he had accidentally crossed into Mexico. An operator can be heard telling the Marine that there was nothing that the U.S. could do since he was already on Mexican soil.
"That 911 tape has not even yet made it to the hands of the judge," his mother told CNN.
Part of what's complicated things for Tahmooressi is the drama surrounding his defense. The first two attorneys hired by the family were fired, one after trying to coach Tahmooressi into lying about prior visits to Mexico, his mother told CNN.
There were also "missed opportunities," something Benitez, his current defense attorney, said is one of the reasons the Marine is still in Mexican custody.
"For anybody being involved in a criminal case in Mexico ... those first 96 hours are crucial," Benitez told CNN in a July interview. "A lot can be done, and releases can and are obtained regularly, but you have to aggressively address a defensive strategy."
Now, Benitez says, his client is at the mercy of the Mexican judicial system, and there is no timetable for his release.
Marine says he'd walked into Mexico before his arrest on gun charges

And all of this may well be true but the fact that this Marine carried guns and ammo into Mexico and was caught by Mexican police means he must submit to Mexican authority and matriculate his way through their legal system. Is this the problem of the U.S. govt? I would submit no, it is not. We don't rescue American citizens (or "Marines no longer actively serving") who commit crimes in foreign countries. No one seems to be arguing that this young man did in fact carry weapons and ammo into Mexico, which is a crime. He made a mistake. He needs to deal with the consequences of that mistake, whatever they may be.

bksflddan

Quote from: diesel on September 23, 2014, 07:41:27 AM
And all of this may well be true but the fact that this Marine carried guns and ammo into Mexico and was caught by Mexican police means he must submit to Mexican authority and matriculate his way through their legal system. Is this the problem of the U.S. govt? I would submit no, it is not. We don't rescue American citizens (or "Marines no longer actively serving") who commit crimes in foreign countries. No one seems to be arguing that this young man did in fact carry weapons and ammo into Mexico, which is a crime. He made a mistake. He needs to deal with the consequences of that mistake, whatever they may be.

Quack, quack, quack !!!

We need to deal with criminals invading our country illegally ...

Let's put them in prison in chains!!!

and beat the hell out of 'em !!!

Or close the damn border ...
"The crux of leadership is seeing what needs to be done and doing it before anyone else"

Run fast! Stay Low!

diesel

Quote from: bksflddan on September 23, 2014, 08:28:01 AM
Quack, quack, quack !!!

We need to deal with criminals invading our country illegally ...

Let's put them in prison in chains!!!

and beat the hell out of 'em !!!

Or close the damn border ...

Absolutely! What does this have to do with the "Marine no longer actively serving"? It would seem that some would like the Mexican govt to look the other way when an American breaks their laws because there is a perception that the U.S. is lax in enforcing our laws on Mexican citizens......

bksflddan

Quote from: diesel on September 23, 2014, 08:41:04 AM
Absolutely! What does this have to do with the "Marine no longer actively serving"? It would seem that some would like the Mexican govt to look the other way when an American breaks their laws because there is a perception that the U.S. is lax in enforcing our laws on Mexican citizens......

.. it's called tunnel vision sweetie ...

... or on mules it's blinders ...
"The crux of leadership is seeing what needs to be done and doing it before anyone else"

Run fast! Stay Low!

diesel

Quote from: bksflddan on September 23, 2014, 08:50:58 AM
.. it's called tunnel vision sweetie ...

... or on mules it's blinders ...

Are you agreeing with me, honeypie?  ;)

bksflddan

Quote from: diesel on September 23, 2014, 09:20:47 AM
Are you agreeing with me, honeypie?  ;)

... that would be an "oxymoron" ...
"The crux of leadership is seeing what needs to be done and doing it before anyone else"

Run fast! Stay Low!

diesel

Quote from: bksflddan on September 23, 2014, 10:29:38 AM
... that would be an "oxymoron" ...

Name calling will get you no where! Besides, what did my ox ever do to you?  ;)

bksflddan

Quote from: diesel on September 23, 2014, 12:05:25 PM
Name calling will get you no where! Besides, what did my ox ever do to you?  ;)

Quack ...
"The crux of leadership is seeing what needs to be done and doing it before anyone else"

Run fast! Stay Low!

diesel


diesel