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diesel

Quote from: bear07 on February 12, 2014, 01:27:31 PM
You and Darth still didn't ans. the question. I'm serious, someone give me a factual reason. Please list the advantages that private schools supposedly have. When I coached in public schools I used to say the same things a lot of you say. I don't know why anyone cares anyway. Everybody gets into the playoffs and nobody plays exclusively in their own division.  Garces, Memorial, and Immanuel all play up all year long in all their sports anyway. I don't expect to change anybodies mind and you won't change mine but at least its something to talk about instead calling each other names and dishing on coaches.

I don't think I've called anyone names or dished on a coach......in my opinion, public schools take every student who shows up at the door. Whether they are developmentally impaired, physically impaired, homeless, in foster care, living in squalor, from a single parent, or dysfunctional family, the public school is obligated to FIND A WAY to educate that student. Private schools are not required to make any special accommodations for any student who shows up at their front door. In fact, they can turn a student away if that student is in any way "undesirable" and that could mean almost anything. To the extent that private schools actually cherry-pick is debatable but their ABILITY to do so, gives them an advantage. JMO

flexmac3

Quote from: bear07 on February 12, 2014, 01:27:31 PM
You and Darth still didn't ans. the question. I'm serious, someone give me a factual reason. Please list the advantages that private schools supposedly have. When I coached in public schools I used to say the same things a lot of you say. I don't know why anyone cares anyway. Everybody gets into the playoffs and nobody plays exclusively in their own division.  Garces, Memorial, and Immanuel all play up all year long in all their sports anyway. I don't expect to change anybodies mind and you won't change mine but at least its something to talk about instead calling each other names and dishing on coaches.
bear07, personally, I don't consider schools like Garces, SJM, BCHS, Immanuel, or any private school in the valley a private school. Don't recruit the kids in their area we'll enough yet 8)


PitPride65

Quote from: Coach Scudder on February 06, 2014, 09:04:24 AM
Porterville:

Frontier/BCHS: Scrimmage
Centennial
West
Bye
Hanford
Dinuba
Buchanan
Mission Oak
Tulare Western
Tulare Union
Delano
Monache

Good for you coach! I'm proud of what you have accomplished and have going! I can't wait to see your kids progress!
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.  ~Jack Tatum

Dirtfarmer

Quote from: Roughneck005 on February 12, 2014, 08:08:45 AM
Your sole argument about RHS has been enrollment, enrollment, enrollment - Garces has just over half the enrollment than K-Town...so what's your argument there? Should Kingsburg be DI as well? IMO, No.

How many VC games have Ridgeview been in in the past 3 years? They have D1 enrollment, don't they? So why are they D3? And give me a break about Garces. How many VC games for them? The 2012 team was the second or third best team in the Valley, then they lose 36 seniors, and go to the VC in 2013. They just reload. You really believe that they couldn't compete in D1?

Roughneck005

Quote from: Dirtfarmer on February 12, 2014, 10:01:31 PM
How many VC games have Ridgeview been in in the past 3 years? They have D1 enrollment, don't they? So why are they D3? And give me a break about Garces. How many VC games for them? The 2012 team was the second or third best team in the Valley, then they lose 36 seniors, and go to the VC in 2013. They just reload. You really believe that they couldn't compete in D1?

To answer:
A. 3
B. Yes
C. Because the success they have seen in the last three years has been the only success for the football program since the school opened. Started in DII and got smacked around, bumped to DIII almost a decade ago (correct me if I'm off a few years) and has only recently shown any signs of life. I'm not arguing that they shouldn't move up, on the contrary, I believe they should. However, my personal opinion is that divisional placement should not be based upon enrollment alone, but by ability to compete as well.
D. 3 (no sir, I will not give you a break)
E. They are going to get pummelled in league play and wiped out in the playoffs.

You're welcome.
Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all time thing. You don't win once in a while, you don't do things right once in a while, you do them right all the time. Winning is habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
-Vince Lombardi

CWClassof2007

Quote from: Dirtfarmer on February 12, 2014, 10:01:31 PM
How many VC games have Ridgeview been in in the past 3 years? They have D1 enrollment, don't they? So why are they D3? And give me a break about Garces. How many VC games for them? The 2012 team was the second or third best team in the Valley, then they lose 36 seniors, and go to the VC in 2013. They just reload. You really believe that they couldn't compete in D1?
Not as consistently as they do playing in D2.

Darth Backer

Quote from: diesel on February 12, 2014, 01:35:35 PM
I don't think I've called anyone names or dished on a coach......in my opinion, public schools take every student who shows up at the door. Whether they are developmentally impaired, physically impaired, homeless, in foster care, living in squalor, from a single parent, or dysfunctional family, the public school is obligated to FIND A WAY to educate that student. Private schools are not required to make any special accommodations for any student who shows up at their front door. In fact, they can turn a student away if that student is in any way "undesirable" and that could mean almost anything. To the extent that private schools actually cherry-pick is debatable but their ABILITY to do so, gives them an advantage. JMO

In short, their parents can afford to send them to a private school, they are therefore taught certain lessons at home that transfer well to the football field.  The Clovis schools have dominated for so long for this very same reason.  Because Clovis doesn't have a top-notch private school all of their upper class students stay in public schools and bring those traits with them.

diesel

Quote from: Darth Backer on February 13, 2014, 07:52:27 AM
In short, their parents can afford to send them to a private school, they are therefore taught certain lessons at home that transfer well to the football field.  The Clovis schools have dominated for so long for this very same reason.  Because Clovis doesn't have a top-notch private school all of their upper class students stay in public schools and bring those traits with them.

That's just crazy talk, Darth!! LOL!!!  ;)

Grizz51

Quote from: Darth Backer on February 13, 2014, 07:52:27 AM
In short, their parents can afford to send them to a private school, they are therefore taught certain lessons at home that transfer well to the football field.  The Clovis schools have dominated for so long for this very same reason.  Because Clovis doesn't have a top-notch private school all of their upper class students stay in public schools and bring those traits with them.
?WHAT, the kids and their upbringing are the difference at Clovis and Garces? I thought it was all coaching..... Geez, now we have to re-think everything.
Remember, it's all about the kids......

bear07

Quote from: Grizz51 on February 13, 2014, 08:17:51 AM
?WHAT, the kids and their upbringing are the difference at Clovis and Garces? I thought it was all coaching..... Geez, now we have to re-think everything.
So with that line of thinking should middle and upper class schools play in their own divisions and poor disadvantaged schools play in their own divisions. I know thats ridiculous but not anymore ridiculous than saying, because your students have advantages others don't, you should play larger schools. What happens when you have a Roosevelt or a Mclane playing so far down in Div placement that they now have an advantage by having 1500 disadvantaged boys to compete with a similar school that 500 boys. Private schools face the same problem, 250 eligible boys vs 750 to 1500 eligible boys. No matter how you try to even things up someone has a disadvantage. Kind of like life.

Darth Backer

Quote from: bear07 on February 13, 2014, 08:41:59 AM
So with that line of thinking should middle and upper class schools play in their own divisions and poor disadvantaged schools play in their own divisions. I know thats ridiculous but not anymore ridiculous than saying, because your students have advantages others don't, you should play larger schools. What happens when you have a Roosevelt or a Mclane playing so far down in Div placement that they now have an advantage by having 1500 disadvantaged boys to compete with a similar school that 500 boys. Private schools face the same problem, 250 eligible boys vs 750 to 1500 eligible boys. No matter how you try to even things up someone has a disadvantage. Kind of like life.

Dude?  In case you haven't been paying attention, that's exactly what we have.  Divisions are more than anything based on the socio-economic level of the school, not it's CBEDS.  We've finally gotten to the bottom of the division debate!

Grizz51

 
Quote from: Darth Backer on February 13, 2014, 08:47:20 AM
Dude?  In case you haven't been paying attention, that's exactly what we have.  Divisions are more than anything based on the socio-economic level of the school, not it's CBEDS.  We've finally gotten to the bottom of the division debate!
:u:
Remember, it's all about the kids......

diesel

Quote from: bear07 on February 13, 2014, 08:41:59 AM
So with that line of thinking should middle and upper class schools play in their own divisions and poor disadvantaged schools play in their own divisions. I know thats ridiculous but not anymore ridiculous than saying, because your students have advantages others don't, you should play larger schools. What happens when you have a Roosevelt or a Mclane playing so far down in Div placement that they now have an advantage by having 1500 disadvantaged boys to compete with a similar school that 500 boys. Private schools face the same problem, 250 eligible boys vs 750 to 1500 eligible boys. No matter how you try to even things up someone has a disadvantage. Kind of like life.

LOL!!!  Where have YOU been???

Your argument falls flat when you say 250 eligible boys to 1500 eligible boys.....there aren't very many public schools that have 1500 eligible boys attending their schools.....at least not around here.....

whitemarbles

Quote from: Darth Backer on February 13, 2014, 07:52:27 AM
In short, their parents can afford to send them to a private school, they are therefore taught certain lessons at home that transfer well to the football field.  The Clovis schools have dominated for so long for this very same reason.  Because Clovis doesn't have a top-notch private school all of their upper class students stay in public schools and bring those traits with them.

This may be an UGLY truth, but it IS the truth. I have coached on both ends of the spectrum, so I can have an opinion on it.
Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is. –Vince Lombardi

Bronco

Quote from: whitemarbles on February 13, 2014, 10:58:33 AM
This may be an UGLY truth, but it IS the truth. I have coached on both ends of the spectrum, so I can have an opinion on it.
Just goes to show - good public education can NOT take the place of good parenting !! 8)

diesel

Quote from: Bronco on February 13, 2014, 11:01:37 AM
Just goes to show - good public education can NOT take the place of good parenting !! 8)

Not according to administration.....LOL!!!

Glenn

CVC   Schedule    it Not Offical Yet  But this how  it could Look Like

August 22  Scrimming Game @ Farmersville
Aug 28 (Thursday ) AT woodlake
Sept 5 @ BCHS (Milk Bowl
Sept 12  Lindsay
Sept 19 Chowchilla
Sept 26  Bye
Oct 3 @ Fowler
Oct 10  Dinuba
Oct 17 Exeter ( Homecoming )
Oct 24 @ Kingsburg
Oct 31  @ Selma
Nov 7  Immanuel ( Battle of boots and Sr Night)
2015 CSL Champs  and 
2016   
2017 VC Runner up
2018  CSL Co Champs 
2018   State champs Runner up 

Send 2013  we be to Division Valley Playoff    

Ethel Ann Grimes Woodall
May 30 ,1938  to  April 27,2010

Glenn

Yes    just 4 Home game this upcoming season   

we will spend alots  of time Out of town  at 6 Games  :-)

i Love  Play  on the road  :-)
2015 CSL Champs  and 
2016   
2017 VC Runner up
2018  CSL Co Champs 
2018   State champs Runner up 

Send 2013  we be to Division Valley Playoff    

Ethel Ann Grimes Woodall
May 30 ,1938  to  April 27,2010

taysdad

#78
Liberty 2014

@ mission viejo (talk of being a fox sports game)
vs central
vs buchanan
@ ridgeview
cypress (trying to get them at liberty)

Not sure league order but

@ bhs
@ frontier
vs garces
vs centennial
@ stockdale

CWClassof2007

Here is Clovis West's schedule for best season:
Friday, August 15th Cardinal/Gold Scrimmage @ VMS
Thursday, August 21st vs Hanford(Scrimmage)@VMS
Friday, August 29th vs Merced @VMS
Friday, September 5th vs Centennial @VMS
Friday, September 12th @ Turlock
Friday, September 26th vs Bullard @McClane
Friday, October 3rd vs Edison @Lamonica
Friday, October 10th vs Clovis North @VMS(Away)
Friday, October 17th vs Buchanan @VMS (Home)
Friday, October 24th vs Clovis East @Lamonica(Away)
Friday, October 31st @ Central
Friday, November 7th vs Clovis @Lamonica(Home)

Non league isn't as tough as usual but it's still not easy. I'm not sure if Centennial is the school in Bakersfield or one of the other schools in California that has that same name.

CWClassof2007