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Sooo...What about the Bundy Thing???

Started by valleynative, April 11, 2014, 06:46:55 PM

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Just_A_Fan

Quote from: izne1home on April 14, 2014, 10:47:18 AM
My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down.

First big mistake.  Pay the fees and fight.  Withholding them as a matter of principle might feel good and generate applause, but it turns your legal position around 180 degrees. 

Agencies like the BLM, EPA, etc. are making up rules and regulations as they go and/or if they find one not working in their favor they just change it and don't give a damn who gets hurt or how much it costs folks....to have to go broke paying an attorney because your own government is stepping on your neck isn't what freedom is about and since the courts are part of the gooberment they side with the Fed more often than not, fair or not.....give this guy credit for taking a stand, most haven't got the fortitude and just bend over and take it or simply can't afford to fight.....

valleynative

Quote from: izne1home on April 14, 2014, 10:47:18 AM
My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down.

First big mistake.  Pay the fees and fight.  Withholding them as a matter of principle might feel good and generate applause, but it turns your legal position around 180 degrees. 

Probably, but then he is "financing" them to kick him off the land...very hard pill to swallow. Then again, not paying his fees to BLM has also given the perception that he is a greedy rancher, and we all know how the Lefty crowd will sympathize.  Again, the whole thing is so wishy washy...read one article it says one thing, read another and it says something else.  Even The Blaze, which has been on his side has done some investigating and is saying that there is no record of him "trying" to pay Clark County his fees.  But would they really admit he DID if the Sheriff is bought and paid for by the other side?  Then there is the fact that the reason BLM took over the management of the grounds was because of over grazing...but was it being over grazed?  The ranchers, not just Bundy, put a lot of money and time into water, fencing, etc, then to be kicked off?   ugh...so confusing.  

izne1home

Quote from: Just_A_Fan on April 14, 2014, 11:03:52 AM
Agencies like the BLM, EPA, etc. are making up rules and regulations as they go and/or if they find one not working in their favor they just change it and don't give a damn who gets hurt or how much it costs folks....to have to go broke paying an attorney because your own government is stepping on your neck isn't what freedom is about and since the courts are part of the gooberment they side with the Fed more often than not, fair or not.....give this guy credit for taking a stand, most haven't got the fortitude and just bend over and take it or simply can't afford to fight.....

If affordability is an issue, then you can't afford to make foolish mistakes.  The legal cost of his fight have probably tripled as a result of his principled decision to stop making nominal grazing fee payments and putting himself in default.

I agree that he should fight.  But fight smart.  When you are fighting the IRS, pay the tax and sue for a refund in Federal Court.  Withholding the tax and going to Tax Court rarely works out.  Same diff.

Just_A_Fan

Quote from: izne1home on April 14, 2014, 12:05:39 PM
If affordability is an issue, then you can't afford to make foolish mistakes.  The legal cost of his fight have probably tripled as a result of his principled decision to stop making nominal grazing fee payments and putting himself in default.

I agree that he should fight.  But fight smart.  When you are fighting the IRS, pay the tax and sue for a refund in Federal Court.  Withholding the tax and going to Tax Court rarely works out.  Same diff.

Probably right there IZ....the grazing fees didn't used to be too bad, but haven't looked at them in years.

valleynative

Quote from: Just_A_Fan on April 14, 2014, 12:09:58 PM
Probably right there IZ....the grazing fees didn't used to be too bad, but haven't looked at them in years.

Read he owes 1.3 million in fees...penalties interest compounded a gazillion times?  ugh

taysdad

http://www.westernjournalism.com/footage-bundy-massacre/#!

"bundys will pay fee when blm charges the cartels to pay a fee when smuggling drugs across their property" classic

izne1home


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valleynative

For reals...why did he have to say that??? I am sooo annoyed!

diesel

Quote from: valleynative on April 24, 2014, 08:42:56 AM
For reals...why did he have to say that??? I am sooo annoyed!

The fact that he thought it is enough......and you guys should have listened to Iz when he said the guy should have paid his bill.......that right there tells me the guy was an idiot.....

Just_A_Fan

Quote from: diesel on April 24, 2014, 08:53:53 AM
The fact that he thought it is enough......and you guys should have listened to Iz when he said the guy should have paid his bill.......that right there tells me the guy was an idiot.....

Don't care what he thinks, that is a freedom issue.  That he doesn't pay his fees IZ was right about....applaud the guy for standing up to DC but don't cut off your nose to spite you face at the same time....BLM IS out of control, as is most of DC, but unless EVERYONE banded together in the area and made a stand, the lone bug is just going to get squashed....

IF BLM tries this in northern Texas we might see a completely different level of revolt....those folks are looking for a fight in Texas....

valleynative

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Quote from: Just_A_Fan on April 24, 2014, 08:59:29 AM
Don't care what he thinks, that is a freedom issue.  That he doesn't pay his fees IZ was right about....applaud the guy for standing up to DC but don't cut off your nose to spite you face at the same time....BLM IS out of control, as is most of DC, but unless EVERYONE banded together in the area and made a stand, the lone bug is just going to get squashed....

IF BLM tries this in northern Texas we might see a complet

ely different level of revolt....those folks are looking for a fight in Texas....

Yep! The gov and ag have both taken a stand. OMG! What is it like to have leadership like that at the state level???

valleynative

Sooo...Glenn beck is really pushing the video of Bundy. Comments on BECK'S Blaze are not supporting Beck. Interesting...they are saying spin... Out of context...hmmm

bksflddan

Quote from: valleynative on April 24, 2014, 11:15:23 AM
Sooo...Glenn beck is really pushing the video of Bundy. Comments on BECK'S Blaze are not supporting Beck. Interesting...they are saying spin... Out of context...hmmm

.... I'm sorry but I think the Glenn Beck and Michael Savage types are looney toon nut cases ...
"The crux of leadership is seeing what needs to be done and doing it before anyone else"

Run fast! Stay Low!

valleynative

Quote from: bksflddan on April 24, 2014, 12:41:38 PM
.... I'm sorry but I think the Glenn Beck and Michael Savage types are looney toon nut cases ...

Beck has seemed on track... Till now

Just_A_Fan

Quote from: bksflddan on April 24, 2014, 12:41:38 PM
.... I'm sorry but I think the Glenn Beck and Michael Savage types are looney toon nut cases ...

Could be but they are entertaining a lot of the times.... ;)

izne1home

Bundy might be a little smarter than we give him credit for.  He's drawn a line in the dirt with the federal government on the BLM land issue.  He's also said (in a round about way) that the First Lady, and Oprah, and their mamas, would be happier picking cotton.  You know Obama and Holder and trembling with anger now.

At first glance, I thought he'd lost it.  But I'm starting to wonder.  This guy might be a genius. 

Just_A_Fan

Quote from: izne1home on April 25, 2014, 01:15:02 PM
Bundy might be a little smarter than we give him credit for.  He's drawn a line in the dirt with the federal government on the BLM land issue.  He's also said (in a round about way) that the First Lady, and Oprah, and their mamas, would be happier picking cotton.  You know Obama and Holder and trembling with anger now.

At first glance, I thought he'd lost it.  But I'm starting to wonder.  This guy might be a genius. 

I couldn't believe that stuff he was saying....if he wanted attention he sure has it now  :huh:

valleynative

Even without the spin and editing, what he said was cringe worthy.  I don't THINK he meant it the way it came out...I think there is a level of ignorance on his part when it comes to PC speaking, but none of that has ANYTHING to do with what happened.

The BLM going to his house, surrounding his property with SWAT teams, weapons drawn, is UNACCEPTABLE!  That is NOT how debt is collected by the govt in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.  If BLM has a judgment, they can lien his property, lien his cattle, clean out his checking/savings accounts.  What BLM did is no different than IRS coming to yours, mine, whoever's house to collect back taxes with a SWAT team and weapons pointed.  That is NOT OK!  The racial crap is terrible, but it is irrelevent to what happened.  NOT that that matters to the left...they will run with this and people will listen. 

izne1home

Quote from: Just_A_Fan on April 25, 2014, 01:27:39 PM
I couldn't believe that stuff he was saying....if he wanted attention he sure has it now  :huh:

He's not alone.  I heard that issue debated a couple of decades ago.  Slavery is indefensible.  But so is government subsidized generational poverty. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxEYfKWqZ-w#t=124

izne1home