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Segura opts out of N/S Rotary game

Started by mylobos, June 26, 2014, 08:17:09 AM

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mylobos

He was told he would be inelgiable if he played in the game by a coach.  That coach is total wrong.  then he said the Utah coaches told him not to play because has a chance to play as a freshman...Edgar is on his way to Utah University.   He told the game director that he really wanted to play so he is on the cover of the game program and poster, then yesterday he didn't show up for the last day of practice, so he is out of the game, he didn't let anyone know until the game director made many calls to find out his status?????????.......We still have three GREAT running backs  HARRISON, BOHANDON, SUAREZ,  so we will not miss him... Honesty should be taught to all players 

mylobos


theMHSguy

Hey Edgar, good luck in Utah. Go get your education and rep your school, town and most important your family.
"Victory is often achieved in inches, timed in seconds, and denied through mistakes. A true champion learns, through sweat and sacrifice, that he can overcome these mistakes. For a true champion, the thrill of victory is ample reward for the hardships of training." Vince Lombardi

theMHSguy

"Victory is often achieved in inches, timed in seconds, and denied through mistakes. A true champion learns, through sweat and sacrifice, that he can overcome these mistakes. For a true champion, the thrill of victory is ample reward for the hardships of training." Vince Lombardi

Spazzilla

Maybe more effort and energy should be out into focusing on the players that will be there. I know Edgar and his coaches, I'll guarantee you this was not something done with mal intent. Edgar's situation is very fluid at the moment and there are some big changes going on with him and in his life. Priorities and commitments can change, and as much of an honor it is to play (2004 alumni) and I know a lot of time and effort goes into these events. However, a kid like Edgar has a lot going on that can change his situation. I'm sure we've all made commitements in our kevs that we didn't uphold, let's not drag a teenager through the mud over this.
"This is the precept by which I have lived: Prepare for the worst; expect the best; and take what comes."
  - Hannah Arendt

Spazzilla

"This is the precept by which I have lived: Prepare for the worst; expect the best; and take what comes."
  - Hannah Arendt

izne1home

I'm not sure the same restrictions apply to post-graduation all star games.  Plenty of young men have played in both games without effecting eligibility.  I too was looking forward to watching him play one last time.  He ran into a fairly stout City defense that controlled the line of scrimmage last Friday, but held his own and showed bursts of greatness.  It's unfortunate he delayed his decision.  These games do not just happen.  They are the product of hundreds of volunteer hours. 

But in the end, it's all about the boys who show up to strap it on one last time.  That's the magic of the all star games.

izne1home


coachcobra

#4
Utah worried about a walk-on playing in an all star game? Edgar is going to Utah on the 504 plan. He can attend Fresno State thru the EOP program. Both schools will allow him to walk on if he choses to do so. These are facts. Wherever he choses to go, whether he plays ball or not. I hope he gets that education.
WE DO WHAT THEY DONT

coachcobra

#4
WE DO WHAT THEY DONT

Respect-the-Game

I was told Edgar got pretty banged up in the C/C Game. He might have some dings and dents that are bothering him. Education first.  :u:

Respect-the-Game


New Sherif in Town

This is a pretty generic rule that all college recruiters know, as well as high school coaches. Not likely any one at Utah told Segura he would be ineligible if he played in the allowed number of All-star games (2).  Below is the rule.  Something doesn't sound right.  Just last week he was going to walk-on and redshirt at Utah if he could pass the SAT, now they are telling him not to play because he could play as a true freshman.  This is the same guy Mt SAC junior college is telling that he needs to grey shirt before he plays at that level.  Not knocking what has been a great story here in the valley, but I will believe all this D1 talk when it happens. Also, if Segura was really going to play at Utah this year he would already be on the campus of the respective school.  Almost all freshman report no later than the end of June to begin weight training, practices without coaches and enroll in summer school.  This whole story is getting weird.

4.6 HIGH-SCHOOL ALL-STAR GAMES, EFFECTS ON ELIGIBILITY
A student-athlete shall be denied the first year of intercollegiate athletics competition if, following completion of high-school eligibility in the student-athlete's sport and prior to the student-athlete's high-school graduation, the student-athlete competes in more than two all-star football contests or two all-star basketball contests. (See Bylaw 30.2.1.1 for definition of high-school all-star contest.)

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izne1home

#7
Quote from: New Sherif in Town on June 26, 2014, 10:39:31 PM
This is a pretty generic rule that all college recruiters know, as well as high school coaches. Not likely any one at Utah told Segura he would be ineligible if he played in the allowed number of All-star games (2).  Below is the rule.  Something doesn't sound right.  Just last week he was going to walk-on and redshirt at Utah if he could pass the SAT, now they are telling him not to play because he could play as a true freshman.  This is the same guy Mt SAC junior college is telling that he needs to grey shirt before he plays at that level.  Not knocking what has been a great story here in the valley, but I will believe all this D1 talk when it happens. Also, if Segura was really going to play at Utah this year he would already be on the campus of the respective school.  Almost all freshman report no later than the end of June to begin weight training, practices without coaches and enroll in summer school.  This whole story is getting weird.

4.6 HIGH-SCHOOL ALL-STAR GAMES, EFFECTS ON ELIGIBILITY
A student-athlete shall be denied the first year of intercollegiate athletics competition if, following completion of high-school eligibility in the student-athlete's sport and prior to the student-athlete's high-school graduation, the student-athlete competes in more than two all-star football contests or two all-star basketball contests. (See Bylaw 30.2.1.1 for definition of high-school all-star contest.)


The 2-game limit applies to all star games played immediately following the end of season (December) and prior to graduation.  This is why the local all star games are played in late June.  The two things the kids are absolutely required to have - a physical and a diploma. 

izne1home

#7

New Sherif in Town

#8
inze1home: if anyone is familiar with the way the University of Utah works with players that do not qualify or are borderline talent or size wise. It seemst there are some strange quirks about this story. 

The Utes usually place these type of players at Snow JC, which is about 90 miles south of Salt Lake City.  This saves the recruit a ton of money and gives them a chance to play one year and transfer as a sophomore, while getting acclimated to college life and the region.  This way the University of Utah doesn't piss away a lot of time on someone who isn't going to cut the mustard at the next level. The potential athlete proves their worth at the JC then moves on to the 4 year school.

The grey shirting story at Mt. SAC is even more absurd.  Why would anyone attend one of the toughest JC's in the country to see the field at, as a grey shirt, not even a red shirt? Especially on that is 250 miles away,  Sounds like the kid is getting some bad advice, when he can attend FCC or West Hills and grey-shirt right at home, which would be much cheaper close to home. Then enroll at whatever JC he wants to play at when he's ready to start his clock.   JC's are not like getting money to attend a state university or a CSU, you can only get about $5,000 a year to attend a CA JC.  How long would that las at Mt SAC, not long.

Hope I'm wrong but these stories end up just fading away, and everyone wonders what ever happened to old you know who!  This is the third valley athlete in recent years to have some kind of deal worked out with Utah, and the other two never set foot in the state of Utah and they were much better prospects than Segura.

New Sherif in Town

#8

Respect-the-Game

Leave the kid alone, why look for crap? He is moving on, trying to get an education, enough already.  :x



Respect-the-Game


DB NATION

Edgar had a wonderful career at Mendota and his numbers should stand a long time!! Outstanding job! I hope he is able to land at a school he likes and gets that degree!! Great Kid! For being a young man He has had to deal with a lot of criticism from people who have no business saying a word about him. Best of luck Edgar!!!
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DB NATION

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izne1home

Quote from: DB NATION on June 27, 2014, 03:19:30 PM
Edgar had a wonderful career at Mendota and his numbers should stand a long time!! Outstanding job! I hope he is able to land at a school he likes and gets that degree!! Great Kid! For being a young man He has had to deal with a lot of criticism from people who have no business saying a word about him. Best of luck Edgar!!!

I'm with you 100%.  I was just clarifying the CIF rule.  Edgar has wrapped up his high school career with legendary numbers.  Nothing but respect for the young man. 

izne1home


DB NATION

IZNE, its a good thing you informed me about that rule! I was not aware of it.
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New Sherif in Town

respect the game.  Hope I'm wrong, but when the stories start to get twisted up a little, it usually signals something is not coming together and I'm getting a funny feeling that's what's going on here.  Not a hater, more of a realist who knows a little about how things work in the  college football world. I could be dead wrong, but my intuition is telling me otherwise. Just to many bends in the road for something that requires all the T's to be crossed and I's to be dotted to happen.  Will be the first to say I was wrong, but I think were talking a miracle here and those rarely happen when institutions of high learning, D1 football and the NCAA are involved.
   

New Sherif in Town


BIG SKIN

Quote from: New Sherif in Town on June 27, 2014, 09:11:21 PM
respect the game.  Hope I'm wrong, but when the stories start to get twisted up a little, it usually signals something is not coming together and I'm getting a funny feeling that's what's going on here.  Not a hater, more of a realist who knows a little about how things work in the  college football world. I could be dead wrong, but my intuition is telling me otherwise. Just to many bends in the road for something that requires all the T's to be crossed and I's to be dotted to happen.  Will be the first to say I was wrong, but I think were talking a miracle here and those rarely happen when institutions of high learning, D1 football and the NCAA are involved.
   
...I'll vouch for your inner knowledge of the workings at this level.... you've walked that path and know the turns....  :u: :u: :u: :u:
Poor people have voted DEMOCRAT for the last 50 years.....GUESS what....they are STILL POOR.

BIG SKIN

Poor people have voted DEMOCRAT for the last 50 years.....GUESS what....they are STILL POOR.

valleynative

Good luck to him wherever he ends up going to school.  His story is amazing  :u:

valleynative


gman

Can I have some clarification here?  So no teams offered him and all of a sudden Utah a Pac-12 school wants him to play for them as a walk on?  Is this what happened? :huh:

gman


Forceuser

Quote from: gman on June 28, 2014, 03:17:23 AM
Can I have some clarification here?  So no teams offered him and all of a sudden Utah a Pac-12 school wants him to play for them as a walk on?  Is this what happened? :huh:

Why wouldn't it....as a walk on you are paying for school, you are paying for lodging, you are paying for books, you are paying for food.  What does it cost the School to invite a player to be a walk on?  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING......in fact it happens a lot.  The School gets to have a "Free" player. 

The athlete is probably going, with the hope that the opportunity could turn into a scholarship opportunity.  That happens more often than most realize.
"All life demands struggle. Those who have everything given to them become lazy, selfish, and insensitive to the real values of life. The very striving and hard work that we so constantly try to avoid is the major building block in the person we are today."
― Pope Paul VI

Forceuser

"All life demands struggle. Those who have everything given to them become lazy, selfish, and insensitive to the real values of life. The very striving and hard work that we so constantly try to avoid is the major building block in the person we are today."
― Pope Paul VI

Bronco

Quote from: Forceuser on June 28, 2014, 09:30:27 AM
Why wouldn't it....as a walk on you are paying for school, you are paying for lodging, you are paying for books, you are paying for food.  What does it cost the School to invite a player to be a walk on?  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING......in fact it happens a lot.  The School gets to have a "Free" player. 

The athlete is probably going, with the hope that the opportunity could turn into a scholarship opportunity.  That happens more often than most realize.
That's exactly what the Bulldogs offered Steve Spach (Clovis class of 2000). Coach Hill told him that if he made the 2nd team he'd get a full ride . He did & in fact started for them at TE / made the winning catch in there bowl game his Sr year / and has been playing in the NFL ever since  :u: Sounds like a good deal to me !!   :D Walk-on's are limited to a degree by  the ncaa counting them against the teams scholarship count

Bronco


Respect-the-Game

I understand the concerns, the twist in the story and the rules and I agree, funny happenings. I just want the best for the kids and hoping all the strange things happening are just bumps in Segura's road to success and a good education, good luck Edgar.  :u:

Respect-the-Game


D-5

coach cobra is driving himself crazy again coach cobra you have to move on

D-5


TeddyKGB


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BRONCO2015

Quote from: TeddyKGB on June 28, 2014, 03:58:21 PM
Is this Hurd reincarnated?

Come now Teddy, did you just figure that out? Of course! You can take a monkey out of the jungle, but you can't get the jungle out of the monkey!    ;)

Why do they use costly new sterile needles to give a lethal injection? Really. Just save the same friggin' needle.

BRONCO2015

Why do they use costly new sterile needles to give a lethal injection? Really. Just save the same friggin' needle.

gman

My question is if he is possibly good enough to play in the Pac-12 why did not even a D-1A school offer him or a lower D-1 school ask him to walk on?

gman


OriginalCVFan

Quote from: izne1home on June 27, 2014, 04:55:49 PM
I'm with you 100%.  I was just clarifying the CIF rule.  Edgar has wrapped up his high school career with legendary numbers.  Nothing but respect for the young man. 

CIF rule and NCAA rule are two different things.  NCAA has some pretty distinct and misunderstood req's as well. I remember a few years ago some Bakersfield area already graduated seniors who still hadn't made decisions or had opps at next level were planning on playing at a 7 on 7 tourney locally and would have lost a year college eligibility if they played
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izne1home

Quote from: gman on June 28, 2014, 11:22:10 PM
My question is if he is possibly good enough to play in the Pac-12 why did not even a D-1A school offer him or a lower D-1 school ask him to walk on?

The larger issue is that a kid from Mendota has a shot, and he has a champion in his corner named Beto Mejia.  And for every Edgar with talent and publicity, there are thousands with average talent and no ESPN coverage.  They will likely go on to work in the fields at levels most of us cannot comprehend.  If I was in the latter group, I'm not sure if I would be hoping for Edgar to succeed, or to fall flat and return to the fields with me.  Human nature is funny like that.  

God gave Edgar this platform for a reason.  Maybe it's not to play high level D1 college football.  We will see.  

izne1home


izne1home

Quote from: OriginalCVFan on June 29, 2014, 07:56:04 AM
CIF rule and NCAA rule are two different things.  NCAA has some pretty distinct and misunderstood req's as well. I remember a few years ago some Bakersfield area already graduated seniors who still hadn't made decisions or had opps at next level were planning on playing at a 7 on 7 tourney locally and would have lost a year college eligibility if they played

Absolutely right.  Section 14.6 of the NCAA Bylaws has been rewritten.  I am not sure if it is a substantive change, but the language is a little more convoluted now, so I can understand why a coach might tell Edgar to reconsider.   

izne1home


Forceuser

On the flip side who cares, a kid opts out of a all star game.....BIG DEAL.....

Im guessing the only people who care are those running the game Because they lose out on a name that would sell tickets.  Im sure the kid is already over it and half way to Utah by now......

Move on Folks....
"All life demands struggle. Those who have everything given to them become lazy, selfish, and insensitive to the real values of life. The very striving and hard work that we so constantly try to avoid is the major building block in the person we are today."
― Pope Paul VI

Forceuser

"All life demands struggle. Those who have everything given to them become lazy, selfish, and insensitive to the real values of life. The very striving and hard work that we so constantly try to avoid is the major building block in the person we are today."
― Pope Paul VI