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ETKilla

Quote from: Just_A_Fan on November 22, 2014, 09:10:59 AM
When you are slipped three of the four aces every hand when playing poker would it be surprising that you keep winning? 

I'm not sure what you're referring too.  Explain so I can respond.  Not being a smart ass just curious what you mean.  If your talking about schedule I'm pretty sure Wyoming and South Dakota aren't exactly power houses.  Speaking of Oregons schedule. 
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flexmac3

#41
Quote from: ETKilla on November 22, 2014, 09:42:44 AM
I'm not sure what you're referring too.  Explain so I can respond.  Not being a smart ass just curious what you mean.  If your talking about schedule I'm pretty sure Wyoming and South Dakota aren't exactly power houses.  Speaking of Oregons schedule. 
ETKilla, like I mention earlier, I see your point, and somewhat agree with you, because I do think the SEC is a great conference.
it's just that every school in the SEC play four terrible non conference games which means every SEC football team is going to be 4-0
On top of that, all those SEC non conference games are at home vs mid major schools. That's why the SEC get those inflated top ten rankings.

Take Alabama for example, I can't remember the last time they have travel out of their region, so you really can't gauge how good they really are,  IMO, Alabama is suspect, I expect them to get whipped just like last year when Oklahoma gave them a beat down.

IMO, the rating the SEC is slanted in their favor, they only play against the SEC, and Mid major schools, which say nothing on how much better the SEC is to other conferences.

By the way, Oregon did play a very good Michigan State team, something you won't see in the SEC.

Just_A_Fan

#42
Quote from: ETKilla on November 22, 2014, 09:42:44 AM
I'm not sure what you're referring too.  Explain so I can respond.  Not being a smart ass just curious what you mean.  If your talking about schedule I'm pretty sure Wyoming and South Dakota aren't exactly power houses.  Speaking of Oregons schedule. 

See Flex's response above, he illustrates it brilliantly.....SEC 'arranges' their schedules so they don't have to travel any distances, they don't play tough nonconference teams, etc. Then they are gifted with high rankings by an adoring media that nothing but.... like I said they are delta aces

flexmac3

Quote from: Just_A_Fan on November 22, 2014, 03:03:37 PM
See Flex's response above, he illustrates it brilliantly.....SEC 'arranges' their schedules so they don't have to travel any distances, they don't play tough nonconference teams, etc. Then they are gifted with high rankings by an adoring media that nothing but.... like I said they are delta aces
JAF, your previous posts are even more obvious, thats the money part that you mention.
ESPN, CBS, ect..... They love the SEC.




ETKilla

Quote from: Just_A_Fan on November 22, 2014, 03:03:37 PM
See Flex's response above, he illustrates it brilliantly.....SEC 'arranges' their schedules so they don't have to travel any distances, they don't play tough nonconference teams, etc. Then they are gifted with high rankings by an adoring media that nothing but.... like I said they are delta aces

I see both your points, I really do.  I understand they play a weak out of conference schedule due to such a demanding in conference schedule.  Like I me mentioned earlier, when you play 6-7 teams in the top 25 every year that's the smart thing to do.  They have nothing to prove.  PAC 12 on the other hand needs to do that.  I just don't hold it against the SEC, in my opinion it's pretty smart.  Beside the fact your team is beat the hell up after 6 games in conference.  Why would they want to, or have to, face tougher competition. 

JAF you keep mentioning the media bias, I get your point, but the SEC have proven their worth.  Not too mention they get 70% of the top recruits in the nation, I made that stat up by the way.   If UCLA would only have one loss they would be in the top 5-6.  They have 2 losses, when your losing to Utah you really don't have a case anymore. 
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flexmac3

Quote from: ETKilla on November 22, 2014, 04:59:19 PM
I see both your points, I really do.  I understand they play a weak out of conference schedule due to such a demanding in conference schedule.  Like I me mentioned earlier, when you play 6-7 teams in the top 25 every year that's the smart thing to do.  They have nothing to prove.  PAC 12 on the other hand needs to do that.  I just don't hold it against the SEC, in my opinion it's pretty smart.  Beside the fact your team is beat the hell up after 6 games in conference.  Why would they want to, or have to, face tougher competition. 

JAF you keep mentioning the media bias, I get your point, but the SEC have proven their worth.  Not too mention they get 70% of the top recruits in the nation, I made that stat up by the way.   If UCLA would only have one loss they would be in the top 5-6.  They have 2 losses, when your losing to Utah you really don't have a case anymore. 
ET Killa were kinda saying the same thing, this is where we differ, IMO, SEC teams rankings at the start of the season is baloney.

You say these SEC teams  beat each other up in Conference play, but its so not true, Example, The Missouri Tigers, they are in first place in the SEC East, they have not played Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and none of the Miss schools. How does a conference do that? I find that pretty embarrassing.
What would Missouri record be if they had played those schools I just mention, surely not the 8-2 record they have now.

Thats just one example, Im not going to list the other SEC schools, im just to tired to do that, lets just say things are slanted in the SEC favor.

The whole SEC East is a joke, plenty of PAC 12 schools would run through the SEC East with no problem.
These SEC teams are not beat up at all, they got everyone fool, with that nonsense.

Most conferences rotates games so that every team will play each other at some point, the SEC does not do that.

Now the SEC West is strong, how strong, I really cant tell, because;
1- The SEC plays sorry non conference games
2- Most SEC very rarely leave out the area to play games
3- Most SEC teams, im thinking all SEC schools, play every non conference game at home.
4. Ole Miss with that exaggerated #8 ranking, not only got thump, but shutout, by a really bad Arkansas team.
Arkansas is bowl eligible with only two Conference wins, why, because Arkansas won 4  pathetic non conference games against the likes of Nicholls St. UAB, N. Illinois, and  4-7 texas Tech.

What you really have in the SEC, its one conference, but the real, it is two conferences, which to me makes the SEC suspect.

Again, I enjoy SEC football,  IMO, the SEC is suspect.




Just_A_Fan

Quote from: ETKilla on November 22, 2014, 04:59:19 PM
I see both your points, I really do.  I understand they play a weak out of conference schedule due to such a demanding in conference schedule.  Like I me mentioned earlier, when you play 6-7 teams in the top 25 every year that's the smart thing to do.  They have nothing to prove.  PAC 12 on the other hand needs to do that.  I just don't hold it against the SEC, in my opinion it's pretty smart.  Beside the fact your team is beat the hell up after 6 games in conference.  Why would they want to, or have to, face tougher competition. 

JAF you keep mentioning the media bias, I get your point, but the SEC have proven their worth.  Not too mention they get 70% of the top recruits in the nation, I made that stat up by the way.   If UCLA would only have one loss they would be in the top 5-6.  They have 2 losses, when your losing to Utah you really don't have a case anymore. 

Again Flex beat me to it and put it very succinctly..... not bashing the SEC at all, they do play good ball, but the rankings, BCS, and this new phony play off system have all favored that conference over all others and allowed them to have aces dealt to them while the other conferences are being dealt jacks.  Recruits will go there because players want all the perks the money thrown at the SEC brings...imo, if we want a true national champion then let All the conferences have a shot not just the darlings of the media... if the SEC comes out on top then they deserve the accolades but lets not rig the game for them.... back to recruiting, if all the conferences have a shot every year then recruiting begins to be have a parity amongst the conferences because the SEC will be seen as no longer having all the aces.... would submit that will bring better ball across the board to all the conferences and make conference champions have a whole new meaning.

Just_A_Fan

Here's another idea, lets get rid of non-conference games and let the non-conference games take place in the play offs.... traveling vs home field rotates every year...

ETKilla

I'll give you both points, because now flex actually came with some facts not just metaphors.  But in response to a couple things.  I would say the PAC 12, most teams less Oregon, would not run through the SEC east and I also thing Georgia is the best team there.  UCLA would have some success, but definitely no one runs through it.  Other point is Auburn had played what the #7 school in the nation Kansas St and beat them on the road.  LSU beats a very respectable Wisconson team.  Georgia destroys Clemson when their ranked 16.  The SEC does play tough games outside the conference, just showing some facts for you guys.  Flex you make points I agree with some, I just can't give you guys the thought the PAC 12 is equivalent to the SEC.

As far as the playoff system you speak of JAF I would be all for it.  Never happen but would be great.  And I guess the media and the professionals who make the rankings are wrong year after year, but when they win the national championship I guess they got it right.  Look besides last year, th SEC had won like 7 nation championships in a row.  You can argue media, pools, something unfair all you want.  The PROOF is there, no PAC 12 team has one a Champ for a while.  The very powerful Oregon team lost to an SEC team.  I mean please just look at facts fellas.   I know we all west coast people here but the evidence is overwelming. 
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Just_A_Fan

#49
Quote from: ETKilla on November 23, 2014, 06:58:05 AM
I'll give you both points, because now flex actually came with some facts not just metaphors.  But in response to a couple things.  I would say the PAC 12, most teams less Oregon, would not run through the SEC east and I also thing Georgia is the best team there.  UCLA would have some success, but definitely no one runs through it.  Other point is Auburn had played what the #7 school in the nation Kansas St and beat them on the road.  LSU beats a very respectable Wisconson team.  Georgia destroys Clemson when their ranked 16.  The SEC does play tough games outside the conference, just showing some facts for you guys.  Flex you make points I agree with some, I just can't give you guys the thought the PAC 12 is equivalent to the SEC.

As far as the playoff system you speak of JAF I would be all for it.  Never happen but would be great.  And I guess the media and the professionals who make the rankings are wrong year after year, but when they win the national championship I guess they got it right.  Look besides last year, th SEC had won like 7 nation championships in a row.  You can argue media, pools, something unfair all you want.  The PROOF is there, no PAC 12 team has one a Champ for a while.  The very powerful Oregon team lost to an SEC team.  I mean please just look at facts fellas.   I know we all west coast people here but the evidence is overwelming. 

I think we've all made good points and agree with you that SEC deserves recognition for their accomplishment.  My point is only that the reason "why" they have done so is that the system has been stacked in the SEC's favor, not that they haven't or don't continue to play good ball.  It's a hell of lot easier to win when the circumstances Flex and I've been articulating sit in your corner and when the media is telling the best recruits the SEC is the best conference and the national championship is geared for SEC teams to always be one of the teams in the game... that right there kind of skews your win stats since by pure statistics you could flip a coin and the SEC should win at least half of them.  I'd just like to see the playing field leveled out for all the conferences as imo it would be better for college football as a whole.

GoldenHawksFootball

QuoteI think we've all made good points and agree with you that SEC deserves recognition for their accomplishment.  My point is only that the reason "why" they have done so is that the system has been stacked in the SEC's favor, not that they haven't or don't continue to play good ball.  It's a hell of lot easier to win when the circumstances Flex and I've been articulating sit in your corner and when the media is telling the best recruits the SEC is the best conference and the national championship is geared for SEC teams to always be one of the teams in the game... that right there kind of skews your win stats since by pure statistics you could flip a coin and the SEC should win at least half of them.  I'd just like to see the playing field leveled out for all the conferences as imo it would be better for college football as a whole.

Why was the BCS championship trophy so commonly referred to as a mythical crystal ball over the years? Here's some very telling stats this weekend. You just can't make this stuff up.  And it just proves my point that the system is a complete joke. Here are all the SEC teams in action this past weekend, November 22, 2014. The 2nd to last weekend of the season. Why does that seem to matter? Why isn't the most powerful toughest conference in the NCAA able to go unscathed on a weekend such as the one we just had...

No reason for any of these games during the last 2-3 weeks of the regular season. No excuses. True power conferences do not schedule cream puffs this late in the season. And prove me wrong they do this because they don't have to schedule anyone but their own conference and they can rest to make themselves look much stronger before the committees than they are for their conference championship games.

#1 Alabama vs. Western Carolina- Alabama wins 48-14
#10 Georgia vs. Charleston Southerm- Georgia wins- 55-9
#14 Auburn vs. Samford- Auburn wins- 31-7
Florida vs. Eastern Kentucky- Florida wins- 52-3
South Carolina vs. South Alabama- SC wins- 37-12

#4 Mississippi St. vs. Vanderbilt- MSU wins 51-0. Conference game. How had is Vanderbilt? I get it... The Pac 12 has Colorado too on the bottom. Would Vanderbilt beat Colorado?

#8 Ole Miss vs. Arkansas- Arkansas pulls of the upset 30-0 over Ole Miss who beat #1 Alabama. Just how good is Alabama???? Not worthy of a #1 ranking when Arkansas blanks the team that beat you.

Ole Miss and Mississippi State have not been good for years.... But according to ET Killa they are 2 of the elite 8 in the SEC for years....

#20 Missouri vs. Tennessee. Really the only and best game of the week in this brilliant power conference. This is very sad... Missouri wins 29-21.

Not only does Alabama play Western Carolina. They have also played Florida Atlantic and Southern Miss. West Virginia is the only decent non conference game they scheduled. The SEC will not play any team out west. Big 12 will play Pac 12 in Bowl games. A Big 10-Pac 12 matchup. An ACC- Pac 12 matchup. Which conference holds out from playing the Pac 12? Why is that? Territorial bias and monopolies?


ETKilla

GHF you're an absolute clown.  Where sis I say the Miss schools have been power houses?  You use a one week comparison and I use year of FACTS and data.  Ok I conceed to you, the PAC 12 is the best conference.  The SEC is overated and only wins championships because of the media.  There you go.  If Oregon or UCLA doesn't win the national championship it's because the media took it from them and they were robbed. 
Mike Jones.  Who?  Mike Jones.  281-330-8004

ETKilla

Quote from: ETKilla on November 24, 2014, 09:19:04 AM
GHF you're an absolute clown.  Where did I say the Miss schools have been power houses?  You use a one week comparison and I use year of FACTS and data.  Ok I conceed to you, the PAC 12 is the best conference.  The SEC is overated and only wins championships because of the media.  There you go.  If Oregon or UCLA doesn't win the national championship it's because the media took it from them and they were robbed.  Go look at the out of conference schedule your beloved PAC 12 played.  You won't be blown away.  Post that then we'll talk. 
Mike Jones.  Who?  Mike Jones.  281-330-8004

GoldenHawksFootball

QuoteGHF you're an absolute clown.  Where did I say the Miss schools have been power houses?  You use a one week comparison and I use year of FACTS and data.  Ok I conceed to you, the PAC 12 is the best conference.  The SEC is overated and only wins championships because of the media.  There you go.  If Oregon or UCLA doesn't win the national championship it's because the media took it from them and they were robbed.  Go look at the out of conference schedule your beloved PAC 12 played.  You won't be blown away.  Post that then we'll talk. 

Posting things twice. ADD? Easy Killa! I know that your beloved Ole Miss lost to lowly Arkansas but come on bro! No need to get mad and take it out on anyone! Ole Miss was supposedly a quality loss for Alabama early in the season. Wasn't that your argument 2 weeks ago? Come on man! Don't change your tune now that Ole Miss is losing. Now they are not so strong are they? I use this past week for a current and relevant example of how the SEC is going out of their way to schedule such weak non league competition. It's so obviously glaring, it is blinding. My point is if they are the strongest "creme de la creme", what are they afraid of? What do they have to lose? Ahhaaaaa...... Everything! I'm not so much making an argument for the Pac 12 being better than the SEC. I'm saying it's closer than we think. No! Not based on the mythical crystal ball winners. A few years ago I'd say the SEC distance on the Pac 12, Big 12 and Big 10 was there. The gap is closing. Thus why we didn't see and SEC winner last year. I'm just telling you the SEC is over inflated due to the media, bcs, money, lobbying, scheduling cream puff non league, conference not playing anyone on the west coast and more money. Why not Big 12, Pac 12, Big 10, ACC, and SEC, the big 5 conferences do like the NFL does every year and schedule non conference against part of each conference and then rotate them? Don't you think this would shoot the ratings through the roof, more revenue and become and even better playoffs? Rotate the non leagues. Schedule 6 conference games every year and 6 non league.

flexmac3

Quote from: ETKilla on November 24, 2014, 09:19:04 AM
GHF you're an absolute clown.  Where sis I say the Miss schools have been power houses?  You use a one week comparison and I use year of FACTS and data.  Ok I conceed to you, the PAC 12 is the best conference.  The SEC is overated and only wins championships because of the media.  There you go.  If Oregon or UCLA doesn't win the national championship it's because the media took it from them and they were robbed. 
ET Killa, for the record I have previously posted, the SEC football is very good, I'm really not arguing that the Pac 12 is a better conference. My position is I can't gauge how good the SEC is because of what previously posted.
I didn't address your claim about national championships because you are right on. Outside of USC, the Pac12 don't win football championship. Which makes your case about the SEC.
I do believe the system is skewed in the SEC favor, but If you told me that the SEC still would be the best, skewed system or not, I would probably agree with you.
But I do think,  the SEC is kind of a fraud, the SEC kind of remind me of one of those championship boxers who bank millions of dollars, in a boatload of bouts, but won't fight that championship bout that the public has been asking to see for years.
I would like to see Alabama in Los Angeles for a non conference game.
The SEC conference doesn't have any non conference rivals games, you know like, Notre Dame vs USC

flexmac3

#55
Quote from: GoldenHawksFootball on November 24, 2014, 12:29:57 PM
Posting things twice. ADD? Easy Killa! I know that your beloved Ole Miss lost to lowly Arkansas but come on bro! No need to get mad and take it out on anyone! Ole Miss was supposedly a quality loss for Alabama early in the season. Wasn't that your argument 2 weeks ago? Come on man! Don't change your tune now that Ole Miss is losing. Now they are not so strong are they? I use this past week for a current and relevant example of how the SEC is going out of their way to schedule such weak non league competition. It's so obviously glaring, it is blinding. My point is if they are the strongest "creme de la creme", what are they afraid of? What do they have to lose? Ahhaaaaa...... Everything! I'm not so much making an argument for the Pac 12 being better than the SEC. I'm saying it's closer than we think. No! Not based on the mythical crystal ball winners. A few years ago I'd say the SEC distance on the Pac 12, Big 12 and Big 10 was there. The gap is closing. Thus why we didn't see and SEC winner last year. I'm just telling you the SEC is over inflated due to the media, bcs, money, lobbying, scheduling cream puff non league, conference not playing anyone on the west coast and more money. Why not Big 12, Pac 12, Big 10, ACC, and SEC, the big 5 conferences do like the NFL does every year and schedule non conference against part of each conference and then rotate them? Don't you think this would shoot the ratings through the roof, more revenue and become and even better playoffs? Rotate the non leagues. Schedule 6 conference games every year and 6 non league.

GHF,I do agree with you, but the part about the Miss. schools, kinda I really dont care, I feel that the whole SEC conference overall, has an advantge that gives them the upper hand that the other conferences dont have.

Now if ET Killa says the SEC is the best conference out of the five power conferences, I could agree with him, but giving my previous post, Im arguing that the system is slightly slanted towards the SEC, which IMO, the SEC doesnt need.

If the SEC played more non conference games vs the other top conferences, ET Killa position would be right.
If the SEC wouldnt schedule those bogus non conference games in late November, I would no criticize the SEC.
If the SEC played more games outside of the south, I would not criticize the SEC.
If  the SEC would rotate their conference games so that every schools can play some SEC East vs SEC west, I would no criticize the SEC.

Most Conferences do schedule weak non conference games, but not like the SEC,
Most Conferences travel out of their area to play non conference games, not the SEC.

Thats why I call the SEC suspect.

Im kinda with JAF, why have non conference games? just play every school in your conference, and have a national playoff, with a few wildcard teams.






ETKilla

Weber St
New Mexico
Notre Dame
UNLV
Texas San Antonio
Nevada
Boston College
Fresno St
South Dakota
Wyoming
Michigan St
Virginia
Memphis
Texas
  Here is the out of conference schedule for your beloved PAC12.  1 team in the top 30.  Tell me where this out of conference power scheduling the PAC12 is doing.  You guys are grasping at straws here. Once again, where did I say anything about Mississippi GHF?  Bothers me when you invent things to talk about but I guess that's what people do when they have no FACTS. You know why you think the media favors the SEC?  Because they are the benchmark every year for top teams.  What don't you get?  When your league wins the National Championship every year,  it means something.  I'll repost a stat all of you ignored earlier. 
2014
Alabama 7-1 Vs top 30
Miss 3-2 vs top 30
Georgia 5-1
Auburn 4-3
Oregon 3-0
UCLA 1-2
SEC teams play top 30 opponents almost every week in conference.  Why should they schedule more?  Why does the PAC12 try to?  Because they HAVE too.  Their conference play is usually weak.

SEC VS PAC 12 all time.  111-76-10 PLEASE LOOK AT FACTS. 

Tell me how their closing the gap again?  Because Auburn lost in the last minute to FSU who still hasn't lost a game?   Please, you're lucky the SAC didn't win ANOTHER championship last year.  You guys are hung up on media bias and a skewed system.  When PAC 12 teams stop losing to inferior opponents and win titles then they will get respect.  You talk about schedules, well see above.  What is the PAC 12 doing that I should be impressed with?  You guys have responded to not one FACT I speak of.  You have nothing to back your arguments.  Its funny you say lowly Arkansas.  Arkansas would prob be top 4 in the PAC12. 
Mike Jones.  Who?  Mike Jones.  281-330-8004

flexmac3

Quote from: ETKilla on November 24, 2014, 04:02:32 PM
Weber St
New Mexico
Notre Dame
UNLV
Texas San Antonio
Nevada
Boston College
Fresno St
South Dakota
Wyoming
Michigan St
Virginia
Memphis
Texas
  Here is the out of conference schedule for your beloved PAC12.  1 team in the top 30.  Tell me where this out of conference power scheduling the PAC12 is doing.  You guys are grasping at straws here. Once again, where did I say anything about Mississippi GHF?  Bothers me when you invent things to talk about but I guess that's what people do when they have no FACTS. You know why you think the media favors the SEC?  Because they are the benchmark every year for top teams.  What don't you get?  When your league wins the National Championship every year,  it means something.  I'll repost a stat all of you ignored earlier. 
2014
Alabama 7-1 Vs top 30
Miss 3-2 vs top 30
Georgia 5-1
Auburn 4-3
Oregon 3-0
UCLA 1-2
SEC teams play top 30 opponents almost every week in conference.  Why should they schedule more?  Why does the PAC12 try to?  Because they HAVE too.  Their conference play is usually weak.

SEC VS PAC 12 all time.  111-76-10 PLEASE LOOK AT FACTS. 

Tell me how their closing the gap again?  Because Auburn lost in the last minute to FSU who still hasn't lost a game?   Please, you're lucky the SAC didn't win ANOTHER championship last year.  You guys are hung up on media bias and a skewed system.  When PAC 12 teams stop losing to inferior opponents and win titles then they will get respect.  You talk about schedules, well see above.  What is the PAC 12 doing that I should be impressed with?  You guys have responded to not one FACT I speak of.  You have nothing to back your arguments.  Its funny you say lowly Arkansas.  Arkansas would prob be top 4 in the PAC12. 

ET Killa, Im kinda thinking, we are saying the same things. Trust me, Im not saying the Pac 12 is a better conference than the SEC.

Im saying the SEC is suspect. I really dont know how good the SEC is this year, or any year, for that matter.

You are right, most conferences play bogus non conference games, no arguement there. thats why I can see what you are posting.

Its just that the SEC plays four really bad non conference games, The whole SEC, 14 SEC teams played 56 non conference games and only loss three games, dont quote me on this, but 95% were really bad football teams, really bad. Its really hard for me to gauge how good the SEC really is, I know its a good conference, how good is the question.

Those SEC conference games are fools gold, only because this year, the SEC East isnt very good, they play no games vs the SEC west, which is stacked.

Im sorry, Arkasas is terrible, I dont care what conference you could put them in.
To be even more disrepectful to the SEC, Arkansas maybe would win the the SEC East :)-

One thing that I cant agree with you, is your top 30 post, that ranking list is so skewed, its beyond ridiculous.
If you gave any conference that SEC bogus 4 game non conference schedule, they all would be 4-0, out the gate, play a 8 game conference schedule that is split in half with in the Conference, go 6-2, now you have a 10-2 record, and you are in the top 10 with ease.
Georgia, and Missouri kinda fit that bill to some degree.

I do think your past stats about the SEC vs Pac 12 makes your point strong. And you are right, the Pac 12 need to win National titles.
But like I posted before, the SEC really looks suspect on all fronts.






ETKilla

Quote from: flexmac3 on November 24, 2014, 04:59:12 PM
ET Killa, Im kinda thinking, we are saying the same things. Trust me, Im not saying the Pac 12 is a better conference than the SEC.

Ok, Im with you.


Im saying the SEC is suspect. I really dont know how good the SEC is this year, or any year, for that matter.

You are right, most conferences play bogus non conference games, no arguement there. thats why I can see what you are posting.

Than who isn't suspect, and we can make this same argument for all.
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Its just that the SEC plays four really bad non conference games, The whole SEC, 14 SEC teams played 56 non conference games and only loss three games, dont quote me on this, but 95% were really bad football teams, really bad. Its really hard for me to gauge how good the SEC really is, I know its a good conference, how good is the question.

I just posted the PAC12 above.  Those teams are not good either.  At least not quality SOS makers.

Those SEC conference games are fools gold, only because this year, the SEC East isnt very good, they play no games vs the SEC west, which is stacked.

The bottom 6 teams in the PAC12 are not very good either.  Also, I still believe Georgia is a quality team. 

Im sorry, Arkasas is terrible, I dont care what conference you could put them in.
To be even more disrepectful to the SEC, Arkansas maybe would win the the SEC East :)-

6 win team with narrow losses to the #1 team in the nation and OT game with Texas A&M.  Hung with the #4 team in the nation.  Lost by 7.  Im sure you'll say they don't belong #1 or #4 that's fine, but the professional writers do.  I know their bias.  Bet they win their bowl game.

One thing that I cant agree with you, is your top 30 post, that ranking list is so skewed, its beyond ridiculous.
If you gave any conference that SEC bogus 4 game non conference schedule, they all would be 4-0, out the gate, play a 8 game conference schedule that is split in half with in the Conference, go 6-2, now you have a 10-2 record, and you are in the top 10 with ease.
Georgia, and Missouri kinda fit that bill to some degree.

I guess we do disagree.  I do agree the East is weak, but usually LSU and Florida are stronger.  I get the off year.  But as I mentioned already, the PAC out of conference is also VERY weak which kind of voids any argument.


I do think your past stats about the SEC vs Pac 12 makes your point strong. And you are right, the Pac 12 need to win National titles.
But like I posted before, the SEC really looks suspect on all fronts.


Good, glad we agree.  Sad thing is Im a PAC12 fan.  Just disappointed in them year after year.  The one chance they had in the last 10 years against the SEC they lost.  SEC may be suspect in your opinion, we are all welcome to them, but with that said who isn't suspect to you??  Florida St??  Oregon Im gathering you think is the best team, I just don't see it. 

Mike Jones.  Who?  Mike Jones.  281-330-8004

flexmac3

#59
Quote from: ETKilla on November 24, 2014, 09:32:12 PM

Et Killa, Im not specifically pointing at one team in the SEC as suspect, its the whole SEC conference overall, that im saying is suspect,
There are fourteen teams in the SEC, and all but one is eligible to qualify for a bowl game to this point :huh: how is that even possible? You do the math.

Now you ask me to defend the Pac 12, I cant, I never said the Pac 12 was better than the SEC, Ive posted many times, that I side with you, if I had to choose who was beter, I would lean towards the SEC. I just dont know how much better, because the whole SEC 4 non conference games are really terribe. By the way, the Pac 12 only play in 3 non conference games.

I do agree with you, but I think you are going a bit to far about the Pac 12 bottom six is not being very good, Ten schools have a chance to go to a bowl game.

And Geogia is ok, but Missouri is one game ahead of the Bulldogs in the SEC East, even though they beat Missouri, and Geogia is a top ten ranked team, dont you find that odd? Me I call it suspect.

Im not going to argue with you on Arkansas, and I cant believe you are williing to make a case for the Razorbacks, those four terrible non conference games is the only reason why they have a winning record, and are going bowling this year. they are last in the SEC West for a reason.

Yes we do agree on the Pac 12, they have alot of work to do, when it comes to winning national football championships. When basically, the Pac 12 conference relys on one school to power their exisistence (USC), you are in pretty bad shape.

Again, I was not picking a certain school as suspect,  just the SEC overall, only because of how the SEC go about things.
If you made me pick a #1 team right now, I choose Florida St, then Alabama, Oregon, Baylor, TCU and Miss, St.

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