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Started by GoldenHawksFootball, November 18, 2014, 04:44:46 PM

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ETKilla

Fair response.  We agree to disagree in things and that's ok.  If ten out of 12 teams in the PAC are eligible that kind of says something too yea?  Some deal with out of conference would you agree?? 
Mike Jones.  Who?  Mike Jones.  281-330-8004

GoldenHawksFootball

QuoteFair response.  We agree to disagree in things and that's ok.  If ten out of 12 teams in the PAC are eligible that kind of says something too yea?  Some deal with out of conference would you agree??

I definitely agree with you FlexMac. I don't know how many times you have to explain this. 2-3-4 times? Pac 12 out of conference and SEC out of conference are not the same. SEC schedules on average 3-4 weak teams. Pac 12 schedules 1-2 weak teams. And the teams like Fresno State, Nevada, UNLV, Wyoming, New Mexico, Memphis those aren't the same type of schools as West Carolina, Samford, Charleston Southern, South Alabama, Eastern Kentucky, etc. ET don't you agree with me that scheduling these at the beginning of the season is different than scheduling these weak teams at the end of the season? You have to see that! You lumping Fresno State in with that SEC weak non conference bunch is funny.

flexmac3

Quote from: ETKilla on November 25, 2014, 09:13:42 AM
Fair response.  We agree to disagree in things and that's ok.  If ten out of 12 teams in the PAC are eligible that kind of says something too yea?  Some deal with out of conference would you agree?? 
ET Killa, the Pac 12 schedule consist of one less non conference game, compared to the SEC, very big difference.
But to be honest, yes to both of your questions.

ETKilla

Quote from: GoldenHawksFootball on November 25, 2014, 12:27:04 PM
I definitely agree with you FlexMac. I don't know how many times you have to explain this. 2-3-4 times? Pac 12 out of conference and SEC out of conference are not the same. SEC schedules on average 3-4 weak teams. Pac 12 schedules 1-2 weak teams. And the teams like Fresno State, Nevada, UNLV, Wyoming, New Mexico, Memphis those aren't the same type of schools as West Carolina, Samford, Charleston Southern, South Alabama, Eastern Kentucky, etc. ET don't you agree with me that scheduling these at the beginning of the season is different than scheduling these weak teams at the end of the season? You have to see that! You lumping Fresno State in with that SEC weak non conference bunch is funny.

He's my point numb nuts.  Read slowly.  The PAC HAS too schedule better teams, although one could argue their not THAT much better. They NEED it for rankings.  The SEC plays the toughest SOS there is.  Why schedule MORE teams in the top 25 when you already play 6-7 a year?  I get what your saying but you don't seem to comprehend the need for the PAC to do this.  Do you m ow what Alabama would do to the schools you listed?  Jesus it's a ridiculous argument. 
Mike Jones.  Who?  Mike Jones.  281-330-8004

flexmac3

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Quote from: GoldenHawksFootball on November 25, 2014, 12:27:04 PM
I definitely agree with you FlexMac. I don't know how many times you have to explain this. 2-3-4 times? Pac 12 out of conference and SEC out of conference are not the same. SEC schedules on average 3-4 weak teams. Pac 12 schedules 1-2 weak teams. And the teams like Fresno State, Nevada, UNLV, Wyoming, New Mexico, Memphis those aren't the same type of schools as West Carolina, Samford, Charleston Southern, South Alabama, Eastern Kentucky, etc. ET don't you agree with me that scheduling these at the beginning of the season is different than scheduling these weak teams at the end of the season? You have to see that! You lumping Fresno State in with that SEC weak non conference bunch is funny.
3/4 weak teams? I know this might sound crazy, I say 4/4 weak teams, lol.
I'm saying, all SEC teams should be given 4-0 records before the season start.
There is not one non conference games that the SEC should lose, even if one of those non conference games might be against a ranked team,
Here's my reason why, if you never leave the area, basically play all your games at home, and schedule non conference games in November, then you should win everyone of those games.
ETKilla I have been focusing on the SEC non conference for a reason, but admittedly every conference schedule could be challenged,
I do have a bigger list.

GoldenHawksFootball

QuoteHe's my point numb nuts.  Read slowly.  The PAC HAS too schedule better teams, although one could argue their not THAT much better. They NEED it for rankings.  The SEC plays the toughest SOS there is.  Why schedule MORE teams in the top 25 when you already play 6-7 a year?  I get what your saying but you don't seem to comprehend the need for the PAC to do this.  Do you m ow what Alabama would do to the schools you listed?  Jesus it's a ridiculous argument.

You point? Obviously not... I get the Pac 12 needs to follow the SEC's lead on this. I never said the Pac 12 doesn't need to schedule better non league. Teams like Fresno State and Nevada are much better than Charleston Southern and Samford. ET, CS and Samford never make bowl appearances. FSU and Nevada, at least they make bowl appearances here and there. Like your point man Flex said, the fact that they get 4 easy wins almost out of the gate, helps them with this toughest SOS there is which is a joke. If you are an SEC East team such as Georgia or Missouri you go 4-0 out the gate with cream puffs + wins over Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, and South Carolina get you 9 wins every season. This is not 6-7 tough games a year. I think the SEC being the top conference sets the standard and precedence for all other conferences. Every conference follows their lead. It's not a matter of not trying by the individual colleges, it's a #'s game to get these games. Money! SEC says we don't have to schedule anything better because they hold the power. SEC will not budge on their non conference schedule. Have you ever thought why the SEC and PAC 12 can't come together for just 2 bowl games every year? Why does every other conference play each other and the SEC not play the Pac 12? Because they don't have to? Is that the argument? It becomes this catch me if you can game. Where's Leo Dicaprio? Yes, I'm insane and can't read for this comment. If the SEC is in this elitist club all by themselves and no one else can get in. What does that say about them? The other conferences seem to follow suit. If the SEC changed it's mentality toward non league games maybe those other conferences would as well. The whole point of all this debate is we'll never know exactly how great the SEC conference is because all they do is play each other and schedule ridiculous non conference schedules. Alabama was in a game for a half vs. Western Carolina. I believe it was a 10 point game. Alabama is highly over rated. Alabama choked against Oklahoma last season in the Sugar Bowl.

ETKilla

Ok buddy.  You got it.  Alabama not that good. Loud and clear man.
Mike Jones.  Who?  Mike Jones.  281-330-8004

Just_A_Fan

Sorry Hawk, but Alabama is a damn fine football team.....

I'd like to Alabama vs Ohio State and Florida Stat vs Oregon.....those would both be good games I think.

GoldenHawksFootball

JAF that's ok. You're a Rams fan. Your judgment is a bit dazed and confused. I never said Alabama wasn't good. I said they are over rated in general. They will almost be in the conversation for the crystal ball by default of being in the SEC. 4 easy wins out the gate. Nope not over rated!

ETKilla

Quote from: GoldenHawksFootball on November 27, 2014, 12:23:25 PM
JAF that's ok. You're a Rams fan. Your judgment is a bit dazed and confused. I never said Alabama wasn't good. I said they are over rated in general. They will almost be in the conversation for the crystal ball by default of being in the SEC. 4 easy wins out the gate. Nope not over rated!

They're in the conversation because they win big games.  With that theory the PAC teams should be there too with their schedule. 
Mike Jones.  Who?  Mike Jones.  281-330-8004

Denver Viking

http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=11964070

Interesting article from lifetime Alabama fan Ivan Maisel on this topic.
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Just_A_Fan

Quote from: Denver Viking on December 02, 2014, 12:09:15 PM
http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=11964070

Interesting article from lifetime Alabama fan Ivan Maisel on this topic.

Good article....the one thing he failed to mention about Alabama...they and the rest of the SEC has lost a lot of players to the NFL in the last two seasons, however Alabama's recruiting classes the last three seasons have been off the charts....as those players learn and progress and start becoming upper class men the next three seasons, and this years class is apparently equally as good, Alabama will be back with better and better teams....if this team is an "off" year team, then their "normal" year teams are something to watch....the other truism in spades, they have the REVENUE to be great....

CWClassof2007

The SEC isn't as great as everyone thought.

ETKilla

Quote from: CWClassof2007 on January 01, 2015, 08:39:17 PM
The SEC isn't as great as everyone thought.

Rough week to day the least
Mike Jones.  Who?  Mike Jones.  281-330-8004

GoldenHawksFootball

ET I told you Alabama wasn't that great. I even said Florida State wasn't that great. When you look at who they played, lots of unranked teams, whom they were barely squeeking by, it was eye opening. They really didn't blow out anyone or win impressively, especially a tough ranked team. I also said that the SEC was not head and shoulders better than all other conferences and that the SEC was coming back down to the pack and the Pac 12 is rising. If anything the PAC 12, the BIG 10, and SEC are all 3 very evenly matched.  Alabama loses a tough contest. Could have gone either way. But they did blow a 21-6 lead. Not exactly #1 ranked, over rated. #7 Mississippi St. loss by 15 to Georgia Tech who got beat a couple weeks ago to FSU. Miss. St. over rated. #9 Ole Miss gets slaughtered by TCU 42-3. Over matched and over rated. #19 Auburn loses a close contest to Wisconsin, a team that lossed to Ohio St. 59-0. Maybe not over rated. #23 LSU loses to Notre Dame- 31-28, a team that got smoked to USC. LSU over rated. Now to be fair- Georgia, Missouri, and Arkansas had big victories. But those teams weren't in the top 10 discussion. Were they under rated? Maybe. But overall the conference was not head and shoulders above the PAC 12 or BIG 10. If Kansas St. and Oklahoma St. show well today, the BIG 12 has to be in the conversation as well. It could be a 4 conference even power which is great. But if I had to put 1 conference as #1 it would be the PAC 12. They've only lost 1 contest a 38-30 Arizona loss to Boise State. The statue of liberty play still works after all these years.



http://saturdayblitz.com/2015/01/02/sec-west-embarrassed-bowl-games/

ETKilla

I have a lot of respect for you GHF.  Love the poster who starts off "I told you so..."   Enjoy the year looks like the SEC is done. 
Mike Jones.  Who?  Mike Jones.  281-330-8004

Just_A_Fan

Quote from: CWClassof2007 on January 01, 2015, 08:39:17 PM
The SEC isn't as great as everyone thought.

Maybe the stacked deck is going to start getting shuffled for a change....the two teams I wanted to win did, so looking forward to an interesting championship game. :u: :u:

GoldenHawksFootball

Quote from: ETKilla on January 02, 2015, 11:17:23 AM
I have a lot of respect for you GHF.  Love the poster who starts off "I told you so..."   Enjoy the year looks like the SEC is done. 

Right back at you buddy. I was the numb nuts for thinking such things, remember.... That's how you started me out when I had this opinion. SEC is not done. Just over rated. And it is clear the top teams in other conferences fair just fine against them. They ARE not superior.

theMHSguy

I still say that this system is bad like the BCS. They got it right by picking 4 conference winners but they left the better one out, TCU. TCU is better than FSU. The games were great and I'm happy we are getting an old school Pac12 vs Big10 Rose Bowl game.
"Victory is often achieved in inches, timed in seconds, and denied through mistakes. A true champion learns, through sweat and sacrifice, that he can overcome these mistakes. For a true champion, the thrill of victory is ample reward for the hardships of training." Vince Lombardi

CWClassof2007

Quote from: theMHSguy on January 02, 2015, 08:35:44 PM
I still say that this system is bad like the BCS. They got it right by picking 4 conference winners but they left the better one out, TCU. TCU is better than FSU. The games were great and I'm happy we are getting an old school Pac12 vs Big10 Rose Bowl game.
It's not perfect but it's a step in the right direction compared to the BCS. If that was still in play then we'd be watching Florida State & Alabama play for a national championship on Monday night.

CWClassof2007