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Sanity does exist in San Francisco ...

Started by bksflddan, April 25, 2015, 10:37:14 AM

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bksflddan

"The crux of leadership is seeing what needs to be done and doing it before anyone else"

Run fast! Stay Low!

valleynative

And now the nuns are the bullies ... Smh

valleynative

And the baker in Oregon has been ordered to pay 135k to the couple she 'discriminated' against. Someone set up a gofundme acct for them and gofundme closed it because what the couple did was. 'Illegal'. Franklin Graham has set up an acct for them through his charity.

Forceuser

"...the goal of tolerance is the eradication of the Church because the Church bears witness to evil and is, therefore, intolerant."

- Philadelphia Archbishop Charles Chaput

I read this down in the comments.  It is so true....
"All life demands struggle. Those who have everything given to them become lazy, selfish, and insensitive to the real values of life. The very striving and hard work that we so constantly try to avoid is the major building block in the person we are today."
― Pope Paul VI

diesel

Quote from: Forceuser on April 27, 2015, 08:23:59 AM
"...the goal of tolerance is the eradication of the Church because the Church bears witness to evil and is, therefore, intolerant."

- Philadelphia Archbishop Charles Chaput

I read this down in the comments.  It is so true....

If that Church spews hate toward a group of people (and I don't care what group) then they need to be "eradicated".......unfortunately, the bill of rights allows free speech...... ;)

Hence, the reason we still have to put up with The Westboro Baptist Church, right?

valleynative

Quote from: diesel on April 27, 2015, 09:11:07 AM
If that Church spews hate toward a group of people (and I don't care what group) then they need to be "eradicated".......unfortunately, the bill of rights allows free speech...... ;)

Hence, the reason we still have to put up with The Westboro Baptist Church, right?

It is not hate to say what is in the bible.  I do believe that many churches have dropped the ball, and should include, but not condone. God loves us all the same.

West oro shouldn't even be in this conversation

diesel

Quote from: valleynative on April 27, 2015, 10:46:15 AM
It is not hate to say what is in the bible.  I do believe that many churches have dropped the ball, and should include, but not condone. God loves us all the same.

West oro shouldn't even be in this conversation

Westboro is a legally defined church and preaches what the bible says........don't they?

valleynative

Quote from: diesel on April 27, 2015, 11:30:17 AM
Westboro is a legally defined church and preaches what the bible says........don't they?

Not if they say God hates homosexuals. It is the act, not the person.

Just_A_Fan

Quote from: diesel on April 27, 2015, 11:30:17 AM
Westboro is a legally defined church and preaches what the bible says........don't they?

No, God says to love your fellow man and use the Word to move them, always being humble....those folks haven't read that part I guess....

diesel

Quote from: Just_A_Fan on April 27, 2015, 12:18:01 PM
No, God says to love your fellow man and use the Word to move them, always being humble....those folks haven't read that part I guess....

I guess they're more fans of the fire and brimstone god........

Forceuser

#10
sigh...going down this road again....

God is a merciful/Just God.  He gives us free will to sin and do as we want.  But their are consequences for sinning and doing what we want.  You are to love your neighbor, but you are not to love his sin.  There is a big difference.  I can Love you, but not agree with nor condone your sin.  This is the issue.  Society says we must condone and accept ones sin, or else we are spewing hate.  Not true at all...
"All life demands struggle. Those who have everything given to them become lazy, selfish, and insensitive to the real values of life. The very striving and hard work that we so constantly try to avoid is the major building block in the person we are today."
― Pope Paul VI

diesel

Quote from: Forceuser on April 27, 2015, 01:28:47 PM
sigh...going down this road again....

God is a merciful/Just God.  He gives us free will to sin and do as we want.  But their are consequences for sinning and doing what we want.  You are to love your neighbor, but you are not to love his sin.  There is a big difference.  I can Love you, but not agree with nor condone your sin.  This is the issue.  Society says we must condone and except (did you mean accept?) ones sin, or else we are spewing hate.  Not true at all...

So Westboro is NOT spewing hate.......got it!

bksflddan

Quote from: diesel on April 27, 2015, 01:38:01 PM
So Westboro is NOT spewing hate.......got it!

Apostate defines the attitude and activities of Westboro Baptist Church Diesel. They preach hate more in line with the Muslim cult than mainline Christianity ...
"The crux of leadership is seeing what needs to be done and doing it before anyone else"

Run fast! Stay Low!

Forceuser

Quote from: diesel on April 27, 2015, 01:38:01 PM
So Westboro is NOT spewing hate.......got it!

Wrong...did you just skip over my love part.  There is nothing in their church that is loving, it is based on hate. 
"All life demands struggle. Those who have everything given to them become lazy, selfish, and insensitive to the real values of life. The very striving and hard work that we so constantly try to avoid is the major building block in the person we are today."
― Pope Paul VI

diesel

Quote from: Forceuser on April 27, 2015, 05:44:35 PM
Wrong...did you just skip over my love part.  There is nothing in their church that is loving, it is based on hate. 

I thought it was based on the old testament......

bksflddan

Quote from: diesel on April 27, 2015, 07:26:10 PM
I thought it was based on the old testament......

Bible Verses on Fools

There are Bible verses about fools that help guide us in our daily lives. Many verses in Proverbs and Psalms tell us how to avoid fools, to choose wisely and to live according to God's will. The foolish make bad decisions and can be easily lead astray.

Being a fool doesn't mean you are stupid. In fact, usually a fool is someone who just is too lazy to think about the consequences of their actions. So take heed of what is in the Bible about foolishness. That way, you can more easily lead a smart and holy life.

Psalms 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 10:13 In the lips of him that has understanding wisdom is found: but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding.
Proverbs 10:14 Wise men lay up knowledge: but the mouth of the foolish is near destruction.
Proverbs 14:1 Every wise woman builds her house: but the foolish plucks it down with her hands.
Proverbs 14:15 The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going.
Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.
Proverbs 20:3 It is an honor for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.
Proverbs 29:11 A fool utters all his mind: but a wise man keeps it in till afterwards.
Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool folds his hands together, and eats his own flesh.
Ecclesiastes 7:9 Be not hasty in your spirit to be angry: for anger rests in the bosom of fools.
Titus 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
"The crux of leadership is seeing what needs to be done and doing it before anyone else"

Run fast! Stay Low!

valleynative

Quote from: bksflddan on April 27, 2015, 07:54:45 PM
Bible Verses on Fools

There are Bible verses about fools that help guide us in our daily lives. Many verses in Proverbs and Psalms tell us how to avoid fools, to choose wisely and to live according to God's will. The foolish make bad decisions and can be easily lead astray.

Being a fool doesn't mean you are stupid. In fact, usually a fool is someone who just is too lazy to think about the consequences of their actions. So take heed of what is in the Bible about foolishness. That way, you can more easily lead a smart and holy life.

Psalms 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 10:13 In the lips of him that has understanding wisdom is found: but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding.
Proverbs 10:14 Wise men lay up knowledge: but the mouth of the foolish is near destruction.
Proverbs 14:1 Every wise woman builds her house: but the foolish plucks it down with her hands.
Proverbs 14:15 The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going.
Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.
Proverbs 20:3 It is an honor for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.
Proverbs 29:11 A fool utters all his mind: but a wise man keeps it in till afterwards.
Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool folds his hands together, and eats his own flesh.
Ecclesiastes 7:9 Be not hasty in your spirit to be angry: for anger rests in the bosom of fools.
Titus 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

Westboro or d? Lololol ;) j/k

valleynative