Early playoff talk

[Dlostheruler]

According to Max Preps these would be the seedings if playoffs started  this week. A couple more games to be played, but for the most part I  dont thing they are gping to chabge much  within the last 2 games. What do you thimk did any teams get snubbed?

Divisoon 1
1. CENTRAL
2. LIBERTY  (BAKERSFIELD)
3. BAKERSFIELD
4. CLOVIS
5.CLOVIS WEST
6.BUCHANON
7.CLOVIS NORTH
8. BULLARD
9.STOCKDALE
10.EDISON
11.FRONTIER
12.CENTENIAL

Dividiom 2
1. Sanger
2. Garces
3. Redwood
4. Tulare Union
5. Sunnyside
6. Ridgeview
7. Independence
8. Dinuba
9. El Diamante

Division 3
1. Bakersfield Christian
2. Tulare western
3. Hanford
4. San Juaquin Memorial
5. Kingsburg
6. South  ( Bakersfield)
7. Fresno
8. Tehachapi
9.  East Bakersfield
10. Mt. Whitney
11. Delano
12. Mission Oak
13. Monache

Division 4
1. Selma
2. Golden West
3. Chowchilla
4. Chavez
5.Taft
6.Kerman
7.Central Valley Christian
8 Wasco
9. Washington Union 
10. Liberty  (Madera) 
11.Exeter   

Division 5
1. Mendota
2.Dos Palos
3.Firebaugh
4.Caruthers
5.Immanual
6.Yosemite
7.Sierra
8.Lindsey
9.Bishop union
10.Shafter

Division 6
1.Strathmore
2.Kennedy
3.Sierra Pacific
4.Riverdale
5.Avenal 
6.Orosi
7.Tranquility
8.California City
9.McFarland

[Dlostheruler]

[CWClassof2007]

I'm interested to see what happens if Clovis West goes 5-0 in the TRAC & Bakersfield wins the SWYL. Do you seed Liberty ahead of CW because of the head to head win? My top four would be this:

1. Bakersfield
2. Clovis West
3. Central
4. Liberty

[CWClassof2007]

[coachhammer]

Looking at the proposed seedings shows why there are too many divisions. In D1, Centennial should not even be considered. They are going to be either 2-8 or 3-7. They will probably not even be 500 in league. There are other schools that should not be considered.

[coachhammer]

[Darth Backer]

Those aren't predicted seedings, those rankings are based off of the calpreps computer number.

[Darth Backer]

[Dlostheruler]

Looking at the proposed seedings shows why there are too many divisions. In D1, Centennial should not even be considered. They are going to be either 2-8 or 3-7. They will probably not even be 500 in league. There are other schools that should not be considered.

wouldn't rankings be equivalent to seedings if thwee were a tournament soooooo yeahhh chill out.

Those aren't predicted seedings, those rankings are based off of the calpreps computer number.

99% of the time rankings are equivalent to the seedings and this is just talk we all know these aren't set in stone soooo yeahhhh  chillout buddy. 

[Dlostheruler]

[Sixtynine]

1. Central
2. Liberty
3. Clovis West
4. Bakersfield
5. Buchanan
6. Clovis
7. Bullard
8. Clovis North
9. Stockdale
10. Edison
11. Frontier
12.Centennial

[Sixtynine]

[Dlostheruler]

1. Central
2. Liberty
3. Clovis West
4. Bakersfield
5. Buchanan
6. Clovis
7. Bullard
8. Clovis North
9. Stockdale
10. Edison
11. Frontier
12.Centennial

I like these , after these next 2 games those 4,5, n 6 slots will be settled

[Dlostheruler]

[Jax]

I like those too.  the only slight change I would make is switching 4 and 5....but that will all shake out in the end.

[Jax]

[taysdad]

Looking at the proposed seedings shows why there are too many divisions. In D1, Centennial should not even be considered. They are going to be either 2-8 or 3-7. They will probably not even be 500 in league. There are other schools that should not be considered.

agree. same as frontier and edison, both currently sitting at 2-6 and clovis east. these teams have no business being in the playoffs. clovis east is always going in at 1-9, 2-8, etc. i think cif needs to make a .500 rule. i know some schools do that themselves, but cif needs to put it in writing. 

[taysdad]

[CWClassof2007]

I like these , after these next 2 games those 4,5, n 6 slots will be settled

1 through 4 could change too with Clovis West playing Central & Bakersfield playing Liberty.

[CWClassof2007]

[flexmac3]

agree. same as frontier and edison, both currently sitting at 2-6 and clovis east. these teams have no business being in the playoffs. clovis east is always going in at 1-9, 2-8, etc. i think cif needs to make a .500 rule. i know some schools do that themselves, but cif needs to put it in writing.

Sorry tays, I'm going to disagree with you, technically.

The CIF has made it very, very clear, a schools won/loss record is irrelevant, and they are eligible for the playoff.

Understanding CIF football policies is a waste.

[flexmac3]

[CWClassof2007]

agree. same as frontier and edison, both currently sitting at 2-6 and clovis east. these teams have no business being in the playoffs. clovis east is always going in at 1-9, 2-8, etc. i think cif needs to make a .500 rule. i know some schools do that themselves, but cif needs to put it in writing.

This is what happens when you insist on having six divisions with 16 team brackets. 4 or 5 divisions with 8 teak brackets makes way more sense. But money talk for the CIF.

[CWClassof2007]

[ThetruthBeTold]

agree. same as frontier and edison, both currently sitting at 2-6 and clovis east. these teams have no business being in the playoffs. clovis east is always going in at 1-9, 2-8, etc. i think cif needs to make a .500 rule. i know some schools do that themselves, but cif needs to put it in writing.

Edison is still a very tough team.  Lets remember Clovis West barley beat them.  And Edison was without 5 of there starters.  If anything I'd say Clovis West is ranked way to high.

[ThetruthBeTold]

[ThetruthBeTold]

I'm interested to see what happens if Clovis West goes 5-0 in the TRAC & Bakersfield wins the SWYL. Do you seed Liberty ahead of CW because of the head to head win? My top four would be this:

1. Bakersfield
2. Clovis West
3. Central
4. Liberty

Liberty head to head win will get them a higher seed then CW.  But I wouldn't worry to much about that.  Liberty has there work cut out for them against a hot BHS team.

[ThetruthBeTold]

[Dlostheruler]

Say Clovis West wins against central but loses to Clovis that'll be 2 7-3 teams in Clovis and CW meanwhile central would be 8-2 and for the sake of it let's say BHS beats liberty where would you rank that top 5. I'd go
1.central
2.BHS
3. CW
4. Liberty
5.Clovis

[Dlostheruler]

[CWClassof2007]

Say Clovis West wins against central but loses to Clovis that'll be 2 7-3 teams in Clovis and CW meanwhile central would be 8-2 and for the sake of it let's say BHS beats liberty where would you rank that top 5. I'd go
1.central
2.BHS
3. CW
4. Liberty
5.Clovis

Only way CW is ahead of Liberty is if they finish 5-0 in the TRAC & goes 4-1 or 3-2 in the SWYL.

[CWClassof2007]

[taysdad]

Sorry tays, I'm going to disagree with you, technically.

The CIF has made it very, very clear, a schools won/loss record is irrelevant, and they are eligible for the playoff.

Understanding CIF football policies is a waste.

That's why I said they need that rule.

[taysdad]

[flexmac3]

That's why I said they need that rule.

tays,  thats why I used the word technically.
The CIF doesn't care what you, or I think they need.

[flexmac3]

[Sixtynine]

Liberty head to head win will get them a higher seed then CW.  But I wouldn't worry to much about that.  Liberty has there work cut out for them against a hot BHS team.

If CW goes 5-0 in the TRAC and Liberty does not win the SWYL, CW will be ahead of them

And idk how you say CW is ranked "way too high" ? They have two losses, only one in the section to Liberty the first week of the season, in a one score game. I do not follow your reasoning.

Central and Liberty are ranked ahead right now, and rightfully so. Who else should be?

Bako? Sure, there's an argument there.

Sanger? They're good, but with their strength of schedule, they are right where they should be

Buchanan? No

Clovis? Not right now

Bullard? Not a chance

Clovis North? Sorry

[Sixtynine]

[Darth Backer]

This is what happens when you insist on having six divisions with 16 team brackets. 4 or 5 divisions with 8 teak brackets makes way more sense. But money talk for the CIF.

Moving to 8 team brackets fixes everything! 6 divisions is no longer relevant, and teams with poor records in playoffs will no longer happen. Our Central Section CIF got tired of battling with those 6-4 teams that didn't qualify for the playoffs in the 8 team bracket era. There would still be that battle now.  Even in D2 where we only have 11 teams, it would boil down to either:

Dinuba
Garces
El Diamante
Ridgeview
Independence

All could possibly be sitting at 6-4 with one of them staying home.  That's a mess that CIF no longer wants to deal with.

[Darth Backer]

[Glenn]

Moving to 8 team brackets fixes everything! 6 divisions is no longer relevant, and teams with poor records in playoffs will no longer happen. Our Central Section CIF got tired of battling with those 6-4 teams that didn't qualify for the playoffs in the 8 team bracket era. There would still be that battle now.  Even in D2 where we only have 11 teams, it would boil down to either:

Dinuba
Garces
El Diamante
Ridgeview
Independence

All could possibly be sitting at 6-4 with one of them staying home.  That's a mess that CIF no longer wants to deal with.

teams with poor records in playoffs will no longer happen    you  cant  Hide  from that  If a team  3-7  can win D6 D5      in Heart  beat  DB   
I see  few Teams   in Texas  Overall 3-8       get  in Frist round Playoff   Texas ,Alabama and Fla and  Georgia and tenn     
Like  I say  if  D1-2  Combine    3-4  and 5-6   Make  it   32 Team Brackets then 

like D1-2    be bout  25  of 32  going   

D3-4    maybe   have to make other breacket  for that   too many team 
that why   D1-2   need Combine       Period     
D2    with few D3-4  Teams 

D3  Fews D3-4-5   

D4     see  if team want be   in this Divison   if their cant handle  D3D2 

Everything  not going  be what the fans  want  it to been   

  Like  Poor Record     this better shot win Valley  of   thems State  have  over 100   for State playoff brackets for  D6  or D5    Brackets 

think bout this  DB   

If we can Combine  D1-2    that will Cut   3-7 and 2-8    bc  that  over  26 teams     only 16  team to go  with good Record   

D3 and D4     is too Big  Just have 16 teams bracket      with   their both  can Join  32 Team Bracket  easy     

D5-6   the Same Boat      But   it be Even   

Coaches will not  like the New Set up     bc some Team always Get  #1 seed       or  2-3-4-5  Seed  bc the Record    but   this would Solver  all the problem    in this valley     

[Glenn]

[Glenn]

Darth Backer

Just Like you say But I say  Combine     D1-2

D1 2015  Teams   
Clovis (CA) has a bye
Edison (Fresno, CA)
Bakersfield (CA)
Clovis North (Fresno, CA)
Clovis East (Clovis, CA)
Buchanan (Clovis, CA) has a bye
Bullard (Fresno, CA) has a bye
Clovis West (Fresno, CA)
Frontier (Bakersfield, CA)
Central (Fresno, CA)
Centennial (Bakersfield, CA)
Liberty (Bakersfield, CA) has a bye
D2
Ridgeview (Bakersfield, CA) has a bye
West (Bakersfield, CA)
Independence (Bakersfield, CA)
Sunnyside (Fresno, CA) has a bye
Tulare Union (Tulare, CA) has a bye
Sanger (CA) has a bye
Garces (Bakersfield, CA) has a bye
El Diamante (Visalia, CA) has a bye
Lemoore (CA) has a bye New D1   

New D1   

(Comibine   the  16 Brackets )

Clovis (CA) has a bye
Edison (Fresno, CA)
Bakersfield (CA)
Clovis North (Fresno, CA)
Clovis East (Clovis, CA)
Buchanan (Clovis, CA) has a bye
Bullard (Fresno, CA) has a bye
Clovis West (Fresno, CA)
Frontier (Bakersfield, CA)
Central (Fresno, CA)
Centennial (Bakersfield, CA)
Liberty (Bakersfield, CA)
Ridgeview (Bakersfield, CA) has a bye
West (Bakersfield, CA)
Independence (Bakersfield, CA)
Sunnyside (Fresno, CA) has a bye
Tulare Union (Tulare, CA) has a bye
Sanger (CA) has a bye
Garces (Bakersfield, CA) has a bye
El Diamante (Visalia, CA) has a bye
Lemoore (CA)

that 20  team  DB     

only 16   teams  go from the Teams from D1-2    Poor Record  wont be Invited  if their are 3-7  or 2-8    Overall  when     D1-2 Combine together   But   you can Maybe Move  fews  Teams  from D3-4   to  that D1   also  and say 32 team Playoff   

I also   going let  Atheolic Dircoter and  and Head coaches  for Football and     Central section     look at this D1-4    I bring up this be good Idea     

if their want start  Early in Middle 2 week of August    be done by First week    of Nov for 8 Team State Playoff this be the great time    to ask 

    I have to Look at D34-5-6     that would be   Tough to Do   

[Glenn]

[GAS2]

If CW goes 5-0 in the TRAC and Liberty does not win the SWYL, CW will be ahead of them

And idk how you say CW is ranked "way too high" ? They have two losses, only one in the section to Liberty the first week of the season, in a one score game. I do not follow your reasoning.

Central and Liberty are ranked ahead right now, and rightfully so. Who else should be?

Bako? Sure, there's an argument there.

Sanger? They're good, but with their strength of schedule, they are right where they should be

Buchanan? No

Clovis? Not right now

Bullard? Not a chance

Clovis North? Sorry

Yeah.....sure seems like CW is living rent free in ThetruthBetold's head to be honest (ranked "way too high" and "barely beat Edison").....based on the results to date, his comments makes zero sense.  That's not to suggest CW can't find a way to come up short or exit early in a one-off playoff game, it could happen, it's HS football after all...but, as of today, an argument can be made that CW is actually a team that should be 8-0 when you analyze their losses and the less than a handful of plays or play calls that put them in the position of losing those two games to two quality opponents, by a grand total of 5 points, w/ leads in each mid-way or late into the 4th quarter. Still plenty of football left to be played, but they are where they belong and not even close to being ranked "way too high" based on what's already in the books.

[GAS2]

[ThetruthBeTold]

Yeah.....sure seems like CW is living rent free in ThetruthBetold's head to be honest (ranked "way too high" and "barely beat Edison").....based on the results to date, his comments makes zero sense.  That's not to suggest CW can't find a way to come up short or exit early in a one-off playoff game, it could happen, it's HS football after all...but, as of today, an argument can be made that CW is actually a team that should be 8-0 when you analyze their losses and the less than a handful of plays or play calls that put them in the position of losing those two games to two quality opponents, by a grand total of 5 points, w/ leads in each mid-way or late into the 4th quarter. Still plenty of football left to be played, but they are where they belong and not even close to being ranked "way too high" based on what's already in the books.

Your analytical point of view argument could also be made for Bullard, who CW had to comeback and barley won, it can be made for Edison who was another team CW squeaked
by.  If the ball bounces the other way then CW is 4-4 not 6-2.  I would say they are a true # 5 or #6 team BEHIND Central, BHS, Liberty, Sanger, and Clovis.

[ThetruthBeTold]

[footballforever]

these divisions
a little enrollment, a little competitive equity
top 3 finishers in each division over 3 years move up (keeps the 1 or 2 hit wonders from being blasted)\
bottom 3 finishers move down
schools of 1200+ may not move below D IV
schools above 1000 may not move below D V
Schools under 500 cannot be forced to move above D IV but may if they wish

I                          II                               III
Bakersfield                  Dinuba                       Bakersfield Christian
Buchanan                  East Bakersfield               Delano
Bullard                  El Diamante               Fresno
Centennial                  Garces Memorial               Golden Valley
Central                  Hanford High               Highland
Clovis East                  Independence               Hoover
Clovis                  Kingsburg                       McLane
Clovis North          Lemoore                       Mission Oak
Clovis West          Madera                       Monache
Edison                  Madera South               Mt. Whitney
Frontier                  Porterville                       North
Liberty (Bako)          Redwood                       Roosevelt
Sanger                  Reedley                       Selma
Stockdale                  Tulare Union               San Joaquin Memorial
Sunnyside                  South                             Tehachapi
Ridgeview                  West                               Tulare Western
                                                          Washington Union
                                                         

IV                           V                                VI
Arvin                           Bishop Union                Avenal
CVC                           Caruthers                        California City
Cesar Chavez           Corcoran                        Kern Valley
Chowchilla                   Desert                        Minarets
Coalinga                   Dos Palos                        Orange Cove
Exeter                   Farmersville                Riverdale
Foothill                   Firebaugh                        Parlier
Golden West           Fowler                        Sierra (Tollhouse)
Hanford West           Immanuel                        Sierra Pacific (Hanford)
Kerman                   McFarland                        Strathmore
Liberty (Ranchos)   Rosamond                         Tranquillty
Lindsay                   Shafter                   
Mendota                   Woodlake   
Mira Monte                   Yosemite      
Robert F. Kennedy      Orosi   
Taft                          
Wasco                      
Granite Hills

8 Man (under 200)
Laton
Frazier Mountain
Alpaugh
Fresno Christian
Kings Christian School
Northwest Christian (Bako)
Riverdale Christian
Faith Christian (Coalinga)

[footballforever]

[CWClassof2007]

these divisions
a little enrollment, a little competitive equity
top 3 finishers in each division over 3 years move up (keeps the 1 or 2 hit wonders from being blasted)\
bottom 3 finishers move down
schools of 1200+ may not move below D IV
schools above 1000 may not move below D V
Schools under 500 cannot be forced to move above D IV but may if they wish

I                          II                               III
Bakersfield                  Dinuba                       Bakersfield Christian
Buchanan                  East Bakersfield               Delano
Bullard                  El Diamante               Fresno
Centennial                  Garces Memorial               Golden Valley
Central                  Hanford High               Highland
Clovis East                  Independence               Hoover
Clovis                  Kingsburg                       McLane
Clovis North          Lemoore                       Mission Oak
Clovis West          Madera                       Monache
Edison                  Madera South               Mt. Whitney
Frontier                  Porterville                       North
Liberty (Bako)          Redwood                       Roosevelt
Sanger                  Reedley                       Selma
Stockdale                  Ridgeview                       San Joaquin Memorial
Sunnyside                  Tulare Union               South
                          West                               Tehachapi
                                                          Tulare Western
                                                          Washington Union

IV                           V                                VI
Arvin                           Bishop Union                Avenal
CVC                           Caruthers                        California City
Cesar Chavez           Corcoran                        Kern Valley
Chowchilla                   Desert                        Minarets
Coalinga                   Dos Palos                        Orange Cove
Exeter                   Farmersville                Riverdale
Foothill                   Firebaugh                        Parlier
Golden West           Fowler                        Sierra (Tollhouse)
Hanford West           Granite Hills                Sierra Pacific (Hanford)
Kerman                   Immanuel                        Strathmore
Liberty (Ranchos)   McFarland                        Tranquillty
Lindsay                   Rosamond                     
Mendota                   Shafter   
Mira Monte                   Woodlake      
Robert F. Kennedy     Yosemite
Taft                           Orosi   
Wasco                      

8 Man (under 200)
Laton
Frazier Mountain
Alpaugh
Fresno Christian
Kings Christian School
Northwest Christian (Bako)
Riverdale Christian
Faith Christian (Coalinga)

There's one obvious team you have in D2 that should be D1. Ridgeview.

[CWClassof2007]

[mkb152]

Moving to 8 team brackets fixes everything! 6 divisions is no longer relevant, and teams with poor records in playoffs will no longer happen. Our Central Section CIF got tired of battling with those 6-4 teams that didn't qualify for the playoffs in the 8 team bracket era. There would still be that battle now.  Even in D2 where we only have 11 teams, it would boil down to either:

Dinuba
Garces
El Diamante
Ridgeview
Independence

All could possibly be sitting at 6-4 with one of them staying home.  That's a mess that CIF no longer wants to deal with.

This.  People forget the fiasco that caused this; when CW spent a ton of time and effort (not to mention an alleged freaking PowerPoint presentation - this could be apocryphal) in 2002 and somehow convinced the selection commitee to take 4-6 CW in the playoffs over 6-4 Stockdale and 6-4 Mount Whitney.  They reached a point where there were simply too close of calls to be made on who goes/stays.  It's worked out just fine.  Only one district lets bad teams into the playoffs regularly, and they are just made fun of for it.

There is a reason the divisions/leagues are how they are.  Almost no one whining about the number of divisions has ever coached or seen Division V or VI football.  And there sure as heck haven't had to be the one to face the wrath of the coach of a 6-4 team being forced to stay home arbitrarily. 

Or the wrath of CUSD administrators, who apparently see playoffs as a birthright.

[mkb152]

[footballforever]

There's one obvious team you have in D2 that should be D1. Ridgeview.

Done (but I have to go to the other thread and do it there too)

[footballforever]

[Dlostheruler]

Thank youuuu I'm tired of everybody giving CW credit when they  barely won most of their games at haven't even played the two best teams on their schedule either Central will put him in there place come Friday night or Clovis West will step up.


Your analytical point of view argument could also be made for Bullard, who CW had to comeback and barley won, it can be made for Edison who was another team CW squeaked
by.  If the ball bounces the other way then CW is 4-4 not 6-2.  I would say they are a true # 5 or #6 team BEHIND Central, BHS, Liberty, Sanger, and Clovis.

[Dlostheruler]

[footballforever]

and why not cut the crud and call it a 12 team bracket for football? Since 2012, I counted only 3 first round games for the 4th seed in all 24 divisional brackets in that time. Also, in that time span of the  half dozen or so 5 vs 12 games played versus a team other than "BYE", only one 12 seed prevailed.

[footballforever]

[flexmac3]

Moving to 8 team brackets fixes everything! 6 divisions is no longer relevant, and teams with poor records in playoffs will no longer happen. Our Central Section CIF got tired of battling with those 6-4 teams that didn't qualify for the playoffs in the 8 team bracket era. There would still be that battle now.  Even in D2 where we only have 11 teams, it would boil down to either:

Dinuba
Garces
El Diamante
Ridgeview
Independence

All could possibly be sitting at 6-4 with one of them staying home.  That's a mess that CIF no longer wants to deal with.

agree with points, but that, possibly sitting at 6-4 cant happen, Ridgeview vs Indy week 10.

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[kastnertbirds]

A wins a win.
What about the 2 teams that barely squeeked by CW?

Some people will always just hate on CW.

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[Glenn]

Moving to 8 team brackets fixes everything! 6 divisions is no longer relevant, and teams with poor records in playoffs will no longer happen. Our Central Section CIF got tired of battling with those 6-4 teams that didn't qualify for the playoffs in the 8 team bracket era. There would still be that battle now.  Even in D2 where we only have 11 teams, it would boil down to either:

Dinuba
Garces
El Diamante
Ridgeview
Independence

All could possibly be sitting at 6-4 with one of them staying home.  That's a mess that CIF no longer wants to deal with.

Trust me    you  are going Get Rid  Extra Rounds  Just  have  8 Team Playoff  you Loss  Money  for  #1-4 Seed    have Home Games  have 2 More Round        then 5-8   Loss Money    not Host  1 st round Playoff    games   
8 Team be wastie  of time  in my Book   

if  Set up  really State Playoff    fopr Californina    I am for  it But   it Not as we speak  from  Souces that why  8 team State playoff       is good  hopeful  their add more  and get Rid the valley champs   just have  32 teams  D1-9   Divional   

Most the Teams   in the Valley  cant handle  Most Northsern and  Southern   

Look at Immanuel  their got trump   like Drumstiar   in State champs 

BCHS   got thrump too     

Hanford win  it But their don't have thems same Players anymore         

[Glenn]

[Darth Backer]

This.  People forget the fiasco that caused this; when CW spent a ton of time and effort (not to mention an alleged freaking PowerPoint presentation - this could be apocryphal) in 2002 and somehow convinced the selection commitee to take 4-6 CW in the playoffs over 6-4 Stockdale and 6-4 Mount Whitney.  They reached a point where there were simply too close of calls to be made on who goes/stays.  It's worked out just fine.  Only one district lets bad teams into the playoffs regularly, and they are just made fun of for it.

There is a reason the divisions/leagues are how they are.  Almost no one whining about the number of divisions has ever coached or seen Division V or VI football.  And there sure as heck haven't had to be the one to face the wrath of the coach of a 6-4 team being forced to stay home arbitrarily. 

Or the wrath of CUSD administrators, who apparently see playoffs as a birthright.

Bingo!

It is important to note that they made the finals...

[Darth Backer]

[Glenn]

Bingo!

It is important to note that they made the finals...

Quote from: mkb152 on Yesterday at 07:26:19 PM
This.  People forget the fiasco that caused this; when CW spent a ton of time and effort (not to mention an alleged freaking PowerPoint presentation - this could be apocryphal) in 2002 and somehow convinced the selection commitee to take 4-6 CW in the playoffs over 6-4 Stockdale and 6-4 Mount Whitney.  They reached a point where there were simply too close of calls to be made on who goes/stays.  It's worked out just fine.  Only one district lets bad teams into the playoffs regularly, and they are just made fun of for it.

There is a reason the divisions/leagues are how they are.  Almost no one whining about the number of divisions has ever coached or seen Division V or VI football.  And there sure as heck haven't had to be the one to face the wrath of the coach of a 6-4 team being forced to stay home arbitrarily. 

Or the wrath of CUSD administrators, who apparently see playoffs as a birthright.

I have see Teams  win State  Champs  on 4-6 Record    a for   bc their was health and  Good   

I wont  laugh bout this but    if  4-6   Make the Playoff and win Valley    who did that    was Close Last year   ?  Washing tion Union their weas  like  #7  seed    in D4    and Play Chowchilla for valley  title   

when 2-4 seed   Loss 

[Glenn]

[Glenn]

Quote from: mkb152 on Yesterday at 07:26:19 PM
This.  People forget the fiasco that caused this; when CW spent a ton of time and effort (not to mention an alleged freaking PowerPoint presentation - this could be apocryphal) in 2002 and somehow convinced the selection commitee to take 4-6 CW in the playoffs over 6-4 Stockdale and 6-4 Mount Whitney.  They reached a point where there were simply too close of calls to be made on who goes/stays.  It's worked out just fine.  Only one district lets bad teams into the playoffs regularly, and they are just made fun of for it.

There is a reason the divisions/leagues are how they are.  Almost no one whining about the number of divisions has ever coached or seen Division V or VI football.  And there sure as heck haven't had to be the one to face the wrath of the coach of a 6-4 team being forced to stay home arbitrarily. 

Or the wrath of CUSD administrators, who apparently see playoffs as a birthright.

I have see Teams  win State  Champs  on 4-6 Record    a for   bc their was health and  Good   

I wont  laugh bout this but    if  4-6   Make the Playoff and win Valley    who did that    was Close Last year   ?  Washing tion Union their weas  like  #7  seed    in D4    and Play Chowchilla for valley  title   

when 2-4 seed   Loss

if we want be Powerhouse team  in the valley   like DLS      we got Get Rid   Valley Brack of 16 team Play and have  reall Deal   we can Build   it up     like texas Do      I will total agree  if we do  like texas Do    their have  like    64  from D1-7   then End up have  4 team State Champs  Playoff   

that mean  D1-2  vs Division 3-4

we are No way close to Crenshaw  and Centeneall     and  DLS  and Meter Dei  and Central Catholic    in this Valley  give thems challenge 

[Glenn]

[Glenn]

if we want be Powerhouse team  in the valley   like DLS      we got Get Rid   Valley Brack of 16 team Play and have  reall Deal   we can Build   it up     like texas Do      I will total agree  if we do  like texas Do    their have  like    64  from D1-7   then End up have  4 team State Champs  Playoff   

that mean  D1-2  vs Division 3-4

we are No way close to Crenshaw  and Centeneall     and  DLS  and Meter Dei  and Central Catholic    in this Valley  give thems challenge

  if California was not largest State  like Texas      I can see   us  Have Nomal State  Playoff     Like  Many  State     do today   

I can see 32 State Playoff  here    in Division 1-6      around here     that mean 4-6   wont have shot  at the title     in State playoff  if we get rid  Valley and Section Officall    Just Like CIF  deal  with 32 Teams Playoff  around State     

[Glenn]

[GAS2]

Your analytical point of view argument could also be made for Bullard, who CW had to comeback and barley won, it can be made for Edison who was another team CW squeaked
by.  If the ball bounces the other way then CW is 4-4 not 6-2.  I would say they are a true # 5 or #6 team BEHIND Central, BHS, Liberty, Sanger, and Clovis.

Look I get it, CW will always have it's haters due to its history and the fact that, and speaking more broadly across all sports, they're still competing at a reasonably high level even when hamstrung by the smallest enrollment (by far) in the TRAC thanks to some CUSD idiocy in the early-mid 2000's (but that's another story).     

But I think you missed the larger point....that is, and as I wrote, based on what's on the books TODAY...they're exactly where they belong.  As always...future outcomes absolutely "could" change things, I think we all understand that and that's not in dispute...5 or 6 is where they "could" end up....but those outcomes aren't known yet so they can't be part of the calculus TODAY.

[GAS2]

[GAS2]

A wins a win.
What about the 2 teams that barely squeeked by CW?

Some people will always just hate on CW.

Crazy huh?  To my eyes, as long time observer (of their junior class in particular), there is no doubt that CW has left some in the tank and hasn't always looked to be playing to their full potential in some of their 6 wins and in their 2 losses....I have my theories, like sometimes they go vanilla, overthink it (like P did v Liberty), start playing not to lose and then maybe they pucker up a bit...it happens.

But all this "barely" beat this team or "barely" beat that team is a bit silly, especially when they want to ignore the "barely lost to..."  side of the argument....LOL....so unlike Truth's claim, CW is far closer to 8-0 than they are to 4-4...but what they really are is 6-2...it's not that complicated. 
         

[GAS2]

[Dlostheruler]

Central  locked up the 1 seed and 2,3,4,5  all up for grabs with bhs  vs liberty n Clovis vs cw

[Dlostheruler]

[DTFan]

Any idea of who might be playing who in D3?

[DTFan]

[mkb152]

Any idea of who might be playing who in D3?

Typically, starting tomorrow AD's will begin sending in the seeding forms with the go/no go response.  On the CIF website it will start listing "In", "Out", or "Must Win Friday" as those forms make it to CIF.

[mkb152]