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9-0 vs. 9-0?

Started by Darth Backer, October 30, 2017, 07:54:02 AM

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Darth Backer

Pretty exciting game coming up this Friday in Tulare.  Let's put together some historical perspective, in 2014, there was the very first 9-0 vs. 9-0 Milk Can game in Lemoore.  I'm sure during the old NYL days there were a number of 9-0 vs. 9-0 Clovis vs. Clovis West match-ups.  Let's hear also from the smaller schools.  What's our local history on these undefeated games?

Darth Backer


Gamer03

Darth, has Cowhide ever featured 9-0 vs. 9-0?

Gamer03


bksflddan

CalPreps sez TU by 2 TD's ... 42-28
"The crux of leadership is seeing what needs to be done and doing it before anyone else"

Run fast! Stay Low!

bksflddan

"The crux of leadership is seeing what needs to be done and doing it before anyone else"

Run fast! Stay Low!

ThetruthBeTold


I'd take my chances stacking 8 in the box and try to stop Kazmir.  I'll take my chances with Edwards .  Blitz all night. 

ThetruthBeTold


mkb152

Quote from: Gamer03 on October 30, 2017, 01:33:48 PM
Darth, has Cowhide ever featured 9-0 vs. 9-0?

Not Darth, but in 1978, MW played Redwood for the Valley Championship game as well.  That *might* have been 9-0 vs 9-0, but I'm not sure.

mkb152


The Eye in the Sky

Quote from: ThetruthBeTold on October 30, 2017, 03:33:22 PM
I'd take my chances stacking 8 in the box and try to stop Kazmir.  I'll take my chances with Edwards .  Blitz all night.

Have you seen this team play in person or film?
Coach- " So they're gonna let you run the ball this year huh."
Player-" If they wanna win they will."

The Eye in the Sky

Coach- " So they're gonna let you run the ball this year huh."
Player-" If they wanna win they will."

Darth Backer

Quote from: Gamer03 on October 30, 2017, 01:33:48 PM
Darth, has Cowhide ever featured 9-0 vs. 9-0?

I have seen 8-1 vs. 8-1, 1998 or 1999?

Darth Backer


Darth Backer

Quote from: mkb152 on October 31, 2017, 12:13:49 AM
Not Darth, but in 1978, MW played Redwood for the Valley Championship game as well.  That *might* have been 9-0 vs 9-0, but I'm not sure.

I don't think Redwood came into that Cowhide unbeaten.

Darth Backer


Sixtynine

Just my opinion, but my opinion is right

Sixtynine

Just my opinion, but my opinion is right

diesel

Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 31, 2017, 06:30:59 AM
Have you seen this team play in person or film?

I've seen both up close.......3 score difference.....TU......JMO.......

diesel


The Eye in the Sky

Quote from: diesel on October 31, 2017, 01:02:30 PM
I've seen both up close.......3 score difference.....TU......JMO.......

I was referring to his strategy. You can't cover 4 guys with 3 defenders. If he figures out a way to do that please by all means fill us in. BTW, I agree with you on the score.
Coach- " So they're gonna let you run the ball this year huh."
Player-" If they wanna win they will."

The Eye in the Sky

Coach- " So they're gonna let you run the ball this year huh."
Player-" If they wanna win they will."

diesel

Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 31, 2017, 01:34:42 PM
I was referring to his strategy. You can't cover 4 guys with 3 defenders. If he figures out a way to do that please by all means fill us in. BTW, I agree with you on the score.

Yeah, I don't think anyone has enough to stop that offense at TU.......I watched Mission Oak play pretty good defense against them the first two series and it didn't matter....the QB ran it in for TD's BOTH times!! Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth, right? LOL!!

diesel


Coach Scudder

Seen both/played both. 


TU rolls in this one!!! By 4TD's, at least!!

Coach Scudder


MonarchPride

I'll give props to both teams but this one is going to come down to defense. With almost identical schedules TW has given up half as many points as TU. Dinuba put up 47 on TU and I believe the TW offense is much better than Dinuba.

Prediction against the rest of the crowd... TW 42 TU 35

MonarchPride


ThetruthBeTold

Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 31, 2017, 06:30:59 AM
Have you seen this team play in person or film?



In person.  Kazmir is just waayy to fast and nimble to play straight up.  He somewhat reminds me of Charles Williams from Bullard a few years back.  Such a game breaker.  You  cannot not play passive, you have to go after him. 

ThetruthBeTold


diesel

Quote from: MonarchPride on November 01, 2017, 12:53:28 PM
I'll give props to both teams but this one is going to come down to defense. With almost identical schedules TW has given up half as many points as TU. Dinuba put up 47 on TU and I believe the TW offense is much better than Dinuba.

Prediction against the rest of the crowd... TW 42 TU 35

No way TW can hold that offense to 35........JMO.....

diesel


Sixtynine

Just my opinion, but my opinion is right

Sixtynine

Just my opinion, but my opinion is right

Coach559

Quote from: diesel on November 01, 2017, 01:29:06 PM
No way TW can hold that offense to 35........JMO.....

If that offense doesn't get on the field, it can't score....

Coach559


diesel

Quote from: Coach559 on November 01, 2017, 02:08:13 PM
If that offense doesn't get on the field, it can't score....

TW put 13 points on a winless Mission Oak in the first half......the same Mission Oak that TU dropped 49 on in the first half......if MO can make TW punt, so can TU.......

diesel


tularepride

Quote from: diesel on November 01, 2017, 03:50:44 PM
TW put 13 points on a winless Mission Oak in the first half......the same Mission Oak that TU dropped 49 on in the first half......if MO can make TW punt, so can TU.......

That was against a MO team that was hyped with homecoming and a ridiculous rap song. Credit to them to come out tough but TU played a broken down team that had given up by that point. Plus TW was up on porterville 35-0 at half while TU was only up 28-14. You can nitpick every game but all that goes out the window in a rivalry game.

tularepride


diesel

Quote from: tularepride on November 01, 2017, 07:11:35 PM
That was against a MO team that was hyped with homecoming and a ridiculous rap song. Credit to them to come out tough but TU played a broken down team that had given up by that point. Plus TW was up on porterville 35-0 at half while TU was only up 28-14. You can nitpick every game but all that goes out the window in a rivalry game.

TU's first two scores against MO were runs by the QB after nothing was open on the throw......the defense did everything they could to cover all those playmakers......TW won't fair much better defending them.....jmo.

diesel


Darth Backer

The question is going to come down to the TW offense vs. that horrible TU defense...  can TW keep up with the scoring? TW will defend TU better than anyone else on the schedule has.

It's hard to tell how good either of these teams are because they haven't played anyone beside El Diamante (the West Yosemite League is way down this year) and Dinuba really exposed the TU defense.

Darth Backer


diesel

Quote from: Darth Backer on November 02, 2017, 08:23:33 AM
The question is going to come down to the TW offense vs. that horrible TU defense...  can TW keep up with the scoring? TW will defend TU better than anyone else on the schedule has.

It's hard to tell how good either of these teams are because they haven't played anyone beside El Diamante (the West Yosemite League is way down this year) and Dinuba really exposed the TU defense.

There are a lot of common opponents to make comparisons. Dinuba isn't one of them.

Common opponents:

Redwood: TW-14-7 TU-42-7
El D: TW-28-0 TU-48-7
MW: TW-63-28 TU-60-7
Delano: TW-48-0 TU-56-10
Porterville: TW-51-0 TU-56-22
Mission Oak: TW-54-3 TU-62-0
Monache: TW-57-6 TU-69-10

TW scoring differential: 315-37 (outscored common opponents by 278 points)
TU scoring differential: 393-63 (outscored common opponents by 330 points)

Calling TU's defense "horrible" discounts those WYL contests where TU actually held those common opponents to FEWER points than TW did (TW gave up 35, TU gave up 21).

diesel


Gamer03

The MW game TW turned the ball over a few times and put the defense in a difficult situations. I guess will find out answers in just a bit over 24 hours, should be good

Gamer03


diesel

Quote from: Gamer03 on November 02, 2017, 09:16:49 AM
The MW game TW turned the ball over a few times and put the defense in a difficult situations. I guess will find out answers in just a bit over 24 hours, should be good

True.....but every game has it's share of difficult situations......TU's offense creates very difficult situations for the defenses it faces......No one they've faced has had an aswer for it.....except to try and keep up!! And that hasn't worked yet! Should be a good one! If you didn't get a ticket, catch it on the CW59 tomorrow night at 6:30! Get your popcorn ready!!

diesel


Darth Backer

I know that statistically that TU's defense is far from horrible, I just think they haven't faced very good offenses. I think this is a much closer game than anyone thinks it will be.  If TW can continue to run the ball and keep the TU offense off of the field and then minimize the big plays, I think they have a shot.

Darth Backer


diesel

Quote from: Darth Backer on November 02, 2017, 11:55:22 AM
I know that statistically that TU's defense is far from horrible, I just think they haven't faced very good offenses. I think this is a much closer game than anyone thinks it will be.  If TW can continue to run the ball and keep the TU offense off of the field and then minimize the big plays, I think they have a shot.

Since Dinuba was brought up, I checked to see if they had any games with common opponents. It seems they shut out both Mission Oak AND Porterville. I'm thinking maybe they have a pretty good defense........that TU scored 69 points on......

diesel


Coach559

Quote from: Darth Backer on November 02, 2017, 11:55:22 AM
I know that statistically that TU's defense is far from horrible, I just think they haven't faced very good offenses. I think this is a much closer game than anyone thinks it will be.  If TW can continue to run the ball and keep the TU offense off of the field and then minimize the big plays, I think they have a shot.

Agree...  TW needs to control the pace of the game.. 

Coach559


MonarchPride

Quote from: diesel on November 02, 2017, 11:59:27 AM
Since Dinuba was brought up, I checked to see if they had any games with common opponents. It seems they shut out both Mission Oak AND Porterville. I'm thinking maybe they have a pretty good defense........that TU scored 69 points on......

You need to dive deeper than just that. Mission Oak is 0-9 and averaging around 8 pts. a game and Porterville is 3-5 and not much better at 14 a game. Hardly two teams you can rate the quality of a defense on.




MonarchPride


diesel

Quote from: MonarchPride on November 02, 2017, 12:25:26 PM
You need to dive deeper than just that. Mission Oak is 0-9 and averaging around 8 pts. a game and Porterville is 3-5 and not much better at 14 a game. Hardly two teams you can rate the quality of a defense on.

True.....winless MO also held TW to 13 points in the first half.........what does THAT say about TW? TU dropped 49 on MO in the first half........and could've won by 100 but called off the dogs....

diesel


MonarchPride

Quote from: diesel on November 02, 2017, 02:27:42 PM
True.....winless MO also held TW to 13 points in the first half.........what does THAT say about TW? TU dropped 49 on MO in the first half........and could've won by 100 but called off the dogs....

It says TW knows how to finish a game, I'm pretty sure the final was 54-3. It's a no duh that TU has a potent offense and TW's isn't that bad. Like I've said before the stats in the defensive category favor TW.

League Play TW has given up 9 total pts. in 4 games where as TU has given up 42.






MonarchPride


diesel

Quote from: MonarchPride on November 02, 2017, 03:00:19 PM
It says TW knows how to finish a game, I'm pretty sure the final was 54-3. It's a no duh that TU has a potent offense and TW's isn't that bad. Like I've said before the stats in the defensive category favor TW.

League Play TW has given up 9 total pts. in 4 games where as TU has given up 42.

Actually, I think it says more about TW's interest in running up the score so that the scores are comparable.......JMO.....and if you go back to my post with all the common opponents you'll see that the total difference in points allowed is 26 in favor of TW while the total difference in points scored is 78 in favor of TU. That's a 52 point difference in favor of TU. At the end of the day, they gotta line up and play, we can all agree on that! I just don't see TW having enough horses to hold down that tribe......and I think it's going to be a 3 score difference at the end of the day in favor of TU.....I'm looking forward to an exciting game!!

diesel


Darth Backer

I think the primary difference between the two schools is that TW understands that defense and running the ball is important. Bennett just wants the defense to get off the field (anyway they can) so he gets to call some more plays.

Darth Backer


diesel

Quote from: Darth Backer on November 03, 2017, 08:33:29 AM
I think the primary difference between the two schools is that TW understands that defense and running the ball is important. Bennett just wants the defense to get off the field (anyway they can) so he gets to call some more plays.

Can't blame him for wanting to play with all those toys! He's got a LOT of weapons right now!! LOL!!

diesel


Coach Scudder

Quote from: diesel on November 02, 2017, 03:12:42 PM
Actually, I think it says more about TW's interest in running up the score so that the scores are comparable.......JMO....

Other than the Dinuba game, I don't think Allen has seen a 4th quarter.  TW seems to keep their starters in the whole game.

Coach Scudder


Jazz

Good thing this game is on 59 tonight. I'm getting caught up on the hype of this thread.

Jazz


Klin97

http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/story/sports/2017/11/04/bell-game-allen-leads-tribe-record-breaking-night/816069001/

Kazmeir Allen = 545 all purpose yards and 7 total TD's. Against a defense that only gave up 58 points in the previous 9 games. Whoa

Klin97


diesel

WOW!! What a game!! No one saw that coming!! Oh, wait....."someone" did....

Quote from: diesel on October 31, 2017, 01:02:30 PM
I've seen both up close.......3 score difference.....TU......JMO.......

diesel


Jazz

My first time seeing either team play. That game looked like an AAU basketball game. There was a lot of fast break scoring on offense and no defense.  It was fun to watch though. Allen is lightning fast!

Jazz